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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 3rd Oct 2011
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| Cancun is by far my most favorite travel destination. It's party spot for anytime of the year. Resorts are wonderful and staff is even great. We stayed at Grand Oasis and have nothing to complain about. BUT, there is some downside to Cancun which will prevent frequent visitors like me to come to Cancun in future. Incident #1: Me and my buddies went to Coco Bongo on Saturday night. We were dancing with gals and one of my friend split up and went outside to smoke. He had little bit too much to drink, I suppose. Someone at the front smoking area of Coco Bongo cut his club badge from his wrist. Then, that someone took/stole $400 cash from his wallet and then put wallet back in his pocket. My friend was literally passed out and when he woke up he realize that $400 is missing from him wallet and he lost Coco Bongo badge. So, he had to wait till 6 in the morning until we got out of the club to get him back to hotel. He called us but we can't hear it inside with loud music playing. Yes, it was his fault for being too drunk and hanging at the smoking area of Coco Bongo. But, isn't it suppose to be safe at tourist area? Incident #2: We went to the City on Friday night. We paid $50 for an entrance which included all drinks. To our surprise, after ordering third glass of beer the bartenders at different bars started asking us for tips otherwise they wouldn't serve us alcohol anymore. When we saw them our badge, they sawed us mean look and started laughing at us. If it was US, we would have easily picked up fight. But, we wanted to be safe in Mexico so we let it go and for each drinks we paid them $1 tip individually. Totally not happy with experience at the City. Never going to go there again. Please note, this type of incident never happened at any other club. But, happened at the City twice. So be careful before going there unless if you are a girl. Incident #3: We brought back two females friends at Grand Oasis one evening who happened to stay at the Oasis. One of them got too drunk and she puked on bathroom floor and some area of the room. We called room service and they cleaned it at 9 pm. When we checked out, the front desk charged us $90 for cleaning services. When asked for explanation they said that they had to use laundry services to clean it. But, don't you think $90 is too much?? In nutshell, in beginning we felt like tipping each staff members and felt like they deserve it. But, once they start ripping us off, it sounds like they don't deserve it. |
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| Cancuncare's Most Interesting Man Join Date: 10th Jan 2008 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
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| Your report is an interesting read, however there are a few things I would point out. Incident 1: You shouldn't wander off on your own if you are in a group. If you travel solo like I do often, make friends at the resort and look out for them and have them look out for you. ALSO, never, EVER keep your wallet in your back pocket, put it in the front. If the pickpockets want to get to you they have to give you a little action! It's a good idea to hide some cash in the bottom of your shoe or another hard to access pocket just in case. Incident 2: Sometimes the bartenders are just assholes. Nothing you can do about that. Incident 3: It is a bit much but then again how much would you like to be paid if you had to clean up someone's puke. Next time party in their room! Don't let those things turn you off Cancun, two are bar incidents, one which you had control over in general. Use caution and common sense. And why would you need $400 for a bar night? Even with shots you can't drink that much can you? lol!
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| Owner and Administrator Join Date: 14th Feb 2003 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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| Thanks for posting your experiences. I think with No 3 there is some justification but the other 2 there is no excuse for. Even with No 3 the actual person cleaning the puke is probbaly on $10 a day wage - they wont be the one making any money out of that. The other two events are totally unacceptable. It's why us expats rarely venture to the HZ for a night out - even though we know the usual scams they still try it on and things can turn ugly. I am really sick and tired of people who work in the HZ clubs thinking that they can rip people off (or steal from them) because they will never see them again and never be held accountable. Quote:
Problem is, people like yourself, will be put off from returning altogether. You'll tell others about your experience as you have done here. The rip off merchants cut their own throat and the good guys suffer too. | |
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| Cancuncare Guru Join Date: 28th May 2010 Location: Lancaster/Philadelphia Area, PA
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| Just to put my 2cents in.. anyone can get pickpocketed ANYWHERe.. the fact that it is a tourist destination, its actually probably more common there, because of how many more people are there.... also, not sure if you've ever bartended, but a club like the City is huge.. the fact that a person wouldn't even think to tip mind boggles me.. You have people and servers asking for drinks ALL night.. its difficult. I bartend, and personally, if there is someone who is tipping me more vs. someone who isn't.. guess who is getting my attention first..? The cleaning thing.. 90$ is a bit much, but hey.. would you want to clean up someone elses throw up? Personally, I would clean up my own... even though it is there job to clean the room, that to me is disrespectful. Laziness is what I call that.
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 3rd Oct 2011
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Just one last example, every time I went to bathrooms of Daddy Rock on Monday night, the guy there asked me for drugs. Haha, that was funny to me but what pissed me off was that there was a girl with me who went to woman's bathroom and same guy asked her for drugs and when she refused, he smaked her butt on the way into the bathroom. If she was my girlfriend or sister, things would have turned ugly. But, those guys who work at clubs they have no respect for anyone. Most nights they themselves are looking for drunk female tourists so they can go home with them. But like I said, I love Cancun and appreciate good people with good service. They will always get good word of reference from me. | |
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 3rd Oct 2011
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But, when you pay $50 for your way into the club where it's clearly advertised that it's all included. Furthermore, after paying $50 and buying only 3 drinks if bartender starts asking for tips, I think it's not resonable. For crying out loud, it was only 1 hour into the club and they started asking for tips. All I am saying is that guys be careful about this scam at the City. Just don't go there with $10 in change and empty pocket otherwise you won't get drinks after midnight and if you decide to start tipping them, you will be out of change for cab ride back to the hotel. | |
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 31st Oct 2006
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Lets be realistic. Clubs that are even close to the same quality as Coco Bongo or City will cost far more to get into in the US then $10 as you claim. $20 or more is more the par for clubs in major cities. Where you get charged $10 will tell you either you live in an inexpensive city or you are going to a cheap club. At the same time the clubs inthe US will not be all inclusive (againts liquor laws) and if you are lucky you will pay $8-10 plus dollars for a glass of beer minimum in the better clubs. Mixed drinks will start at $15 and up. Add tip of a dollar or two and the bartender will stop serving you after 2-3 drinks as well. But to the isue about the original points. 1. Your friend got drunk and passed out. This can happen anywhere and him being robbed is not unique to Cancun alone. You get no sympathy from me for his lack of thinking about how much he drank. 2. Bartenders asking for tips mean you were dealing with bad bartenders or you may have acted somehow out of line. I do not agree with what they did to you but at the same time I would not disagree with what they did if you acted out of line somehow. 3. The hotel did the right thing charging you for the cleaning up of the mess. Now the person who created this mess should be paying for it, but since that did not happen you are stuck with a bill that they are rightfully collecting. Of course you could have cleaned this up yourselves and in that case this would not be a problem. Overall sorry, but I really do not feel for you over your complaints or comments. | |
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| Cancuncare Sun Care Advisor Join Date: 23rd Jan 2009 Location: Cancun via PHILLY!!!
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| I hope to god every person that comes here on vacation tips everyone who provides a service, despite the price of cover/admission/star rating of hotel. You'd be sick if you knew the daily salary with 6 days being the normal workweek. To think that just because you paid $60 to get into Coco Bongo, that the servers and bartenders shouldn't get tipped is nuts. I have and will go days without making money cause I am a commissioned based employee that provides a free service to a hotel. I am the last person who expects to get tipped, and I rarely do, but I know what it's like to live day to day here, and it aint easy |
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 3rd Oct 2011
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I am not going to argue with you or anyone else about bartenders getting tipped. Like I said before, it is travelers choice to decide whether they get tipped or not. I wouldn't say bad things about people who provide great services such as bartenders at the hotel, servers at the hotel, the cleaning staff etc. They are great folks who works hard everyday. I don't like cab drivers who will charge me $20 to go from Temptation to Coco Bongo because I ain't Mexican. When I said OK, that same cab driver laughed with his buddy who was sitting next to him on drivers sit about how he fooled me. They have no respect for their customers. Again, there is good and bad in Cancun. And bad people are ruin names of good people like Steve said. | |
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 27th Sep 2011 Location: hinton, ab canada
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| ok...60 bucks to get in and all your drinks are included....how long would 60 bucks last at even a crap bar with NO cover charge back home? not long i bet. i dont understand a lot of tourists walk around flaunting all their money then cheap out when it actually makes a difference. i am not a rich man by any stretch of the imagination but really a couple hundred in tips over a week is a drop in the bucket. i gave a gardener 10 bucks one morning in cuba just cause...his reaction was worth 10 times that. people need to lighten up and share the wealth a little...you never know, it might make you feel good. BUT when someone expects or asks for a tip...yeah, not gonna happen. |
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 3rd Oct 2011
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| Ive had shitty experiences when going out in Cancun. It happens, everywhere in the world. I dont mind tipping when a/several people at an establishment have worked for it, but I never tip if someone asks me for it. I also refuse to pay if the receipt includes the tip. Im sorry "lets_party" had a bad experience - theres never an excuse for that, but it does happen, "even" in countries and cities that are supposed to be more civilized(lol). I dont mind making people aware of certain events, if it can help prevent future crap. If that would discourage people from coming to Cancun, well, its that/those person/peoples choice. The main issue is that the shitty behavior of some, give everyone a bad rep. Id like to think that people that visit Cancun are smart enough NOT to judge all for the actions of a few. ![]() Ps: Not quite the same, but still "funny": When I applied for my first visa to stay and live in Cancun, a lady at the local Immigration office asked me for cash, out loud. Her excuse? "Do you know how little we make in this job??" My jaw dropped and I had to stop myself from laughing. "Poor me... Give me cash!!" Sorry, that will never work on me. |
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 3rd Oct 2011
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| haha, well said |
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| Owner and Administrator Join Date: 14th Feb 2003 Location: Cancun, Mexico
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When a tourist pays $60 to get into a nightclub and it's sold to them as "all you can drink, all inclusive" by the guys out on the street outside (looking for commission) or hotel Ents staff (looking for commission) then that is what they should get without the waiter getting into their face and refusing to do what he is paid to do unless he is tipped. The asking for tips or withholding service attitude is far too prevalent and low salary is no excuse, employers should pay more or employees should seek a better job. It's not the tourists fault when he doesn't receive what he was promised, and he is perfectly entitled to be pissed off when what he has been promised doesn't happen. Too many people here see tourists as walking ATM's. The Incident No 1 referred to, cutting off the wristband and stealing from a drunken mans pocket.. who would do that other than an employee/security? So his friend got drunk? That's what he was promised. No excuse to be robbed by staff. Deplorable. For sure, tips should be freely given when someone provides good service - keeping the drinks flowing, bringing a round of shots you didn't ask for, moving you to a better table etc and most tourists are happy to tip in those circumstances. That is what keeps them promoting Cancun as a fun place to visit. Word of mouth like that promotes Cancun far more than a web site like this can. Do we want to rip tourists for as much as possible, hope we never see them again and hope they don't speak out about it? Or do we give them a great time, hope they tell others what a great time they had and see them with extra friends next year? I know my answer. | |
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| Cancuncare Sun Care Advisor Join Date: 23rd Jan 2009 Location: Cancun via PHILLY!!!
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| We are only hearing one side of the story...and every story has three sides. Hotel Entertainment get paid SHIT! The Commissions for the nightclubs are more then half their salary. I deal with ppl that got to hotels and don't tip their waiter and waitresses cause they are at an all inclusive. That is BS!!!! People should be smarter then that and tip..tip...tip. Once I tell people how much the staff makes...from Maids to Entertainment, they feel bad, and then start paying up. The same goes for the Bartenders and waiters at the nightclubs. I don't it's called ripping off when it should be a no brainer. We don't tip taxis here in Cancun. But last month when I was in NYC, and the asshole cabbie solicited a tip from me, after a 5 min, $23 ride. Did I freak out and tell ppl never to take a taxi in NYC, no. What is custom in one area, may not be in another. And your statement, "There is easy way out miss Tori. Get out of Cancun or get education where you can earn money to make a decent living instead of waiting on tips." is ridiculous. you obviously know nothing of Mexico to say that. And if you are saying to me, you have real balls...and your an ass!!!! |
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 31st Oct 2006
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As for drivers charging you $20 to go from Temptation to Coco Bongo-well if you knew how things work in Cancun you would also know that fares in the hotel zone are far more expensive then outside of the hotel zone. And if you really want to be cheap you should have taken the bus for 8.5 pesos. You chose to take the cab and you agree to the price, and now you complain? Give us a break here. | |
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 13th Apr 2003 Location: Cancun. QR, Mexico
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| I am now wondering on what you are supposed to be buying when you go into Coco Bongo or The City. Is all inclusive meant AND SPECIFIED to include TIPS? If so, and the customer was refused service, he could find and speak to a Capitan and this should be rectified without incident. Like Steve says, most of us locals don't venture out to the HZ's high prices, ripoffs and arbitrary late night traffic stops by cops looking for a bribe. On the other hand, if you stay "all inclusive" this should include tips but, to second what Tori says, you should tip everyone you come in touch with that does you some sort of service. You are on vacation where the dollar buys so much more than in the states or Canada so tipping should not be out of your thought range. And if you are paying $50 or whatever, what's another $1 per drink or round of drinks. I have never heard of $20 from TTR to Coco Bongo. It should be no more than $50 pesos. Or walk your ass across the street and get on an $8.5 peso bus, about $.65 US. No one in their right mind would take a taxi within the HZ when the buses run 24/7, unless it is pouring rain. Leaving a hotel though, always have the bellman get you a cab and he should be able to tell you the proper fare and confirm it with the driver for you. Hurry back to Paradise. BTW, Tori is a wonderful gal and a great friend and knows of what she speaks. Her heart is always in the right place. She could be anywhere in the states doing what she wants and she is here by choice, not because she has no options. It is hard for foreignors to work here because they cannot take a job that a Mexican can and will do. It's a bit more complicated than that but options are somewhat limited for employment. Time share is the best option but not for everyone. She works for commissions and not "waiting for tips". Big difference amigo. When I first came to Cancun as a tourist, maids made the equivalent of $3 US per day. Hell, I tipped her $3 a day and was happy to do so. That was a lifetime ago though. Not sure what they make now but it's not much.
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 3rd Oct 2011
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And Tori, I am not going to use foul language or A or F words to make this forum more entertaining. That said, I will be ignoring your posts and other posts from your friends who are supporting you. To other readers - I just came here to write my opinion and let other guys know what to expect when they go to night clubs. | |
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| In some sort, I agree to a certain extent with all parties. To me, however, there is a huge difference between tipping someone that deserves it, versus someone that threatens to stop serving you if you do NOT tip them. Call it blackmailing, or whatever you want. When it comes to "badmouthing" the City: Heck, I see this almost daily regarding other places, such as Wal Mart, Home Depot, INM(immigration) etc. Its a natural response if yaŽll ask me. You have an incident in a certain hotel(example only), you file a complaint and most likely, talk to friends and family about that/those incidents. Word of mouth is, by far, the best form of marketing, but, it swings both ways: Companies, like The City, in this case, should deal with the staff that resort to begging, blackmailing and stealing. They know that it exists, and its their choice to act on it, or, if they dont, suffer from it. Hopefully the main staff at The City can take notice and do something about these hyenas, but then again, is it part of the entire "show"..? Id like to think that its not. Tip those that deserve it - dont tip the ones that act like idiots. |
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| Cancuncare Sun Care Advisor Join Date: 23rd Jan 2009 Location: Cancun via PHILLY!!!
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| No skin off my back. I just call it like I see it. You don't know me and your threw out the first allegation. People complain here (on CC) and to my face all the time. I give an honest response back without insults. You on the other hand, just can't be that civil. I stooped to your level. Thanks to my "friends" for being open minded and knowing facts first. |
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 1st Oct 2005 Location: Cancun
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| My only question is what kind of idiot drinks enough to pass out on a sidewalk? He is lucky he didn't end up in jail or worse. He should just be thankful that he only lost some cash and a bracelet! Do people really do that kind of stuff in their home town? Even if they are stupid enough to do it back home they should really realize they are in a foreign country and try to use a little commonsense. |
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 31st Oct 2006
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| Regardless how drunk one is, should one really have to expect to be robbed by the staff...? If the answer is "yes", then I guess Im old fashioned, hehe. ![]() Unfortunate events, all in all. Let the manager at The City know, and hopefully he/she/they feel that their own reputation is important enough to act on it. Thieves are thieves, regardless if the victim is asleep, drunk, blind, handicapped or all the previous. I avoid getting that drunk, but IF it would have happened to me, Id go straight to the cops, along with PROFECO. Might be hard as a tourist, considering the time it all takes. Ps. All this reminds me of a sandbox, except that all of us are older than 5 years, LOL. |
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| Cancuncare Sun Care Advisor Join Date: 23rd Jan 2009 Location: Cancun via PHILLY!!!
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| If he was in the smoking section outside CB, you can't assume it was staff. There are a lot of shady characters around there at night. |
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| Cancuncare's Most Interesting Man Join Date: 10th Jan 2008 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
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| I've only been to the city a couple of times but if one bartender is being a jerk aren't there several others to use? Also the comment about getting an education and a real job are out of line. Hell I have both, and I will trade for the chance to live in paradise any day lol!
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 23rd May 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| @Tori: My bad, I assumed that from the previous post by Steve. @cuppies: "When you go out in Mexico, you have to watch your back. It's not like back home." Umm, what I meant was that in every city, regardless where in the world you are, this crap can happen. I have never pointed out that I meant ONLY in Mexico. Just wanted to make that clear. ![]() In 4.5 years in this country, Ive only had issues with the local pigs, ehrm..."police" and Immigration staff. In 2 years living in Melbourne(Australia), I had 3 attempted robberies, amongst other stuff. Back home in Stockholm, I cant even recount the number of "events"... So far, Mexico and Thailand have been the best for me personally, by far, when it comes to safety. I would never have thought that before leaving Sweden many, many years ago. |
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| Cancuncare Sun Care Advisor Join Date: 23rd Jan 2009 Location: Cancun via PHILLY!!!
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| Damn, I had a response posted as as I hit Reply, my power flickered.. blah! Form the OP, it seems like a Coco Bongo employee was the suspect of this "robbery". It seems like the locals always take the blame when it comes to things like this and other things; like murders and people disappearing from resorts. When in actuality, it's tourist themselves whom are causing a lot of the problems.... like the girl that disappeared on vacation with her Grandmother and ended up running away with an online boyfriend. Or the Survivor Producer that killed his wife. Those to come to mind, and were initially blamed on a poor local. This "robbery" was conducted to someone whom was blacked out, alone, outside the confines of the nightclub. To assume it had anything to do with CB, is just presumptuous. Remember a couple yrs ago during SB, a fool peed on a transformer and died of electrocution. Should that be the fault of The City? I think not. If you have no control when you drink, it's best that you don't do it in the first place. The Party Zone is a VERY safe place. I have been there MANY times alone and never felt uneasy. |
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| Cancuncare's Most Interesting Man Join Date: 10th Jan 2008 Location: Calgary, Alberta Canada
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| Great I am going to have to find somewhere else to pee late at night. Thanks for the tip Tori lol!
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