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08-09-2011, 01:03 AM
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|  Anarchy in London Not sure if this is news stateside yet but London has desdenced in to total chaos over the past couple of days, BBC News - Further riots in London as violence spreads across England pretty worrying stuff, sitting here in the office watching riot vans scream down the street, and it's spreading in to other cities .. crazy days!
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08-09-2011, 12:36 PM
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| Cancuncare Guru  Join Date: 9th Jan 2006 Location: WNY
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| Franco, what's causing the riots? Is there one thing in particular that's sparked them? |
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08-09-2011, 01:08 PM
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| twinimini: The cops shot and killed Mark Duggan. Supposedly he had some ties to gangs in Lodnon, and the first report stated that he(or one of the others in the minivan) shot at the cops as well, but that has now been denied by Independent Police Complaints Commission. A LOT of various versions to the event that sparked the whole thing, so I assume we will have to wait a bit to get info. |
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08-09-2011, 01:27 PM
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| the shooting was the original incident, but it's since moved from riots to opportunistic looting, burgalry and burning of property, absolutely shameful behaviour... Really feel for the police, their hands are tied because the politicians don't want to move away from the uk's 'traditional' softly softly method of policing .... Civil unrest is a bit of a reality check for the government...... Sorry about the dodgy grammar and spelling, typing this on my phone
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08-09-2011, 02:45 PM
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| So it seems that what we have is just an excuse to riot more than any real issues. Is that the case?
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08-09-2011, 03:04 PM
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| the shooting was the original incident, but it's since moved from riots to opportunistic looting, burgalry and burning of property, absolutely shameful behaviour... Really feel for the police, their hands are tied because the politicians don't want to move away from the uk's 'traditional' softly softly method of policing .... Civil unrest is a bit of a reality check for the government...... Sorry about the dodgy grammar and spelling, typing this on my phone
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08-09-2011, 03:57 PM
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08-09-2011, 04:03 PM
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The feral youth of England saw what an easy time those in Tottenham had and thought to themselves "We'll have a bit of that", and they did. The UK Police were a joke on Monday and must be the laughing stock of the World. Obviously it's not the Police Officers themselves fault, more the people that dictate how they must respond to such situations. | |
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08-09-2011, 05:34 PM
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| I dont usually like the Daily Mail or Richard Littlejohn, but he's not far off the mark with this article: London riots: Red sky at night, Tottenham's alight | Mail Online |
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08-09-2011, 10:46 PM
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 Im just stating what Ive read and regardless of my personal opinion of the bastard, I still want to get as accurate info as possible before I start ranting, hehe. | |
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08-10-2011, 02:27 AM
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i only hope this has given the government the wake up call that it needs, the hardworking majority of the population has had enough of these thugs who are allowed to hide under the excuses of poor education and living standards. The article from Littlejohn hit the nail on the head - the "softly softly" approach to the black/asian community just isn't working, never has, never will .. a hard line now needs to be towed, these communities need to take responsibility for their youths and sort themselves out! rant over, sorry for the double post earlier .. phone was playing up!
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08-10-2011, 05:51 AM
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| NYC was saved, ultimately, by a "zero tolerance" policy, with arrests for any violation of the law observed by the police, no matter how petty. Over time, this put enough of the offenders behind bars to make a huge difference to the livability of the city. It could work, elsewhere, once this present violence blows over. |
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08-10-2011, 06:24 AM
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| v, I think that's what the overwhelming majority of people want to happen, unfortunately the criminal justice system over here isn't set up to support it, plus apparently we don't have enough space in our prisons and the government cannot afford (or just plain doesn't want) to build any more!
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08-11-2011, 06:26 PM
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| Where are most of the rioters from? Just on appearance of the offenders, this could have been Egypt, or some other north African place, it seems. |
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08-12-2011, 03:03 AM
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| Some of the inner suburbs of London are like ghettos, primarilly social housing, and predominantly black/asian/eastern european communities - they are not nice places. Turf warfare is rife in these areas. So it seems like the overwhelming police presence on the streets has done the job, parents are handing their kids in to cops, lots of people on the street joining the cleanup operation; this is what it's all about, bit of civic pride coming out  nice to see, every cloud has a silver lining as they say!
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08-12-2011, 04:25 AM
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| People getting motivated to take back their community is key: perhaps all this trouble will do the trick for some. This is, first of all, an issue of law and order, security, the provision of which is the core obligation of every society to its members, and without which life can become unbearable. I would do everything possible to restore order, and respect for others. I don't know if the immigrants to the U.K. in the last fifty years have come with an intent to join this society, or not. It seems those who come to the U.S. come, for the most part, with a desire to integrate, and be fully accepted by the existing society. The openness of U.S. society makes this a real possibility, for most (Blacks in the U.S. might have a different story to tell, even now): I don't know if British society is open enough to allow this degree of integration. ________________________ On a related but different subject, some have expressed concern at the changes wrought by the historically recent introduction of large numbers of non-Europeans to a country that had, until very recently, been populated almost exclusively by those with European ancestry. This is a very different history from that of north America, which had been populated, until the last 500 years, exclusively by those from the Asian continent. Now we can feel what it must have been like for Homo Neanderthalenses, who had occupied south Europe for 300,000 years when Homo Sapiens showed up- and brought competition for scarce resources (jobs?), along with a different appearance and set of behaviors- not to mention the pain the native Americans must have felt to watch their societies fade, and their populations decline, after 12,000 years. This seems, to a degree, to be the history of man. Should those who have a long established culture and tradition in a place take measures to ensure that that is not eroded to the degree that it is lost? I think we should expect that. I read recently that Holland was taking measures to limit access to the pot cafes to those from Belgium and Germany: those from France and Italy seemed to run too wild for the Dutch temperament! _______________________ Last edited by V; 08-12-2011 at 05:42 AM. |
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08-13-2011, 08:35 AM
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| More and more info about wealthy, young kids that join in on the "fun", is starting to appear. I guess "everyone" that feel like it, see their chance to steal, smash and destroy..? This whole thing is crazy, geez. |
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08-13-2011, 06:14 PM
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The one's who do fit the stereotype dont make the press, and they are more skilled at not getting caught in the first place! | |
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08-13-2011, 10:11 PM
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| Steve: yep, nothing new under the sun. Still interesting to see a millionaires daughter loot tvīs and other electronics... |
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