Rick Perry Anti-Gay Ad

[Brewster]

This is why I worry about America. Are you kidding me? This idiot actually gets votes? He was at one point viewed as a serious contender for the Republican candidacy?

What the heck happened to separation of church and state? Here is a great example of a state run by religion. Iran!

To be totally up front... I am an atheist. I have learned too much to be anything else. Being an atheist really isn't that different from being a Christian. The only thing that separates you is the belief in one god. A professed Christian has already decided that all the other "gods" worshiped by people now and throughout history are "false". Odin? Myth. Zeus? Myth. Muslim? Wrong. Buddha? Wrong. Jewish? Right god but denies the messiah.

All the thousands of gods and religions throughout human history are false except the one I was taught as a child. Adults also taught me that Santa and the Tooth Fairy were real too but they admitted their deception eventually.

I used to think...what harm is it to let people have the comfort of their faith? Well, idiots like Perry and his advisors are a good example of what harm it can be. Ignore all the other ridiculous "laws" set down in the bible...but homosexuality is an abomination.

Do you know you are entitled to sell your daughter into slavery? And she can't "go free", as male slaves can. Exodus 21:7

Leviticus, the same book that condemns homosexuality, also states that you are allowed to own slaves provided they are from a neighboring country. Lev. 25:44. (A little worried about pointing this one out...as a Canadian...lol)

Got a neighbor who works on the sabbath? He needs to be put to death. Exodus 35:2

Here's a good one. Matthew 24:22. For the sake of the "elect" or "chosen ones" god will cut the allotted time short lest no-one on earth be saved or survive. So.. go ahead and start a nuclear war. God is expecting that and will come to the rescue. Rapture. To bad for the "non-believers". Got brought up and taught in the wrong part of the world by the wrong parents. Nice god, huh?

If you are a Republican because you agree with fiscal policy, defence, whatever the political reason...fine. But for for the sake of your fellow Americans and the rest of the people on earth keep religion out of it.

Here is the Perry commercial that got me on this rant, in case you haven't seen it.


Strong - YouTube

[The Woodman]

Originally Posted by Brewster

This is why I worry about America. Are you kidding me? This idiot actually gets votes? He was at one point viewed as a serious contender for the Republican candidacy?

What the heck happened to separation of church and state? Here is a great example of a state run by religion. Iran!

To be totally up front... I am an atheist. I have learned too much to be anything else. Being an atheist really isn't that different from being a Christian. The only thing that separates you is the belief in one god. A professed Christian has already decided that all the other "gods" worshiped by people now and throughout history are "false". Odin? Myth. Zeus? Myth. Muslim? Wrong. Buddha? Wrong. Jewish? Right god but denies the messiah.

All the thousands of gods and religions throughout human history are false except the one I was taught as a child. Adults also taught me that Santa and the Tooth Fairy were real too but they admitted their deception eventually.

I used to think...what harm is it to let people have the comfort of their faith? Well, idiots like Perry and his advisors are a good example of what harm it can be. Ignore all the other ridiculous "laws" set down in the bible...but homosexuality is an abomination.

Do you know you are entitled to sell your daughter into slavery? And she can't "go free", as male slaves can. Exodus 21:7

Leviticus, the same book that condemns homosexuality, also states that you are allowed to own slaves provided they are from a neighboring country. Lev. 25:44. (A little worried about pointing this one out...as a Canadian...lol)

Got a neighbor who works on the sabbath? He needs to be put to death. Exodus 35:2

Here's a good one. Matthew 24:22. For the sake of the "elect" or "chosen ones" god will cut the allotted time short lest no-one on earth be saved or survive. So.. go ahead and start a nuclear war. God is expecting that and will come to the rescue. Rapture. To bad for the "non-believers". Got brought up and taught in the wrong part of the world by the wrong parents. Nice god, huh?

If you are a Republican because you agree with fiscal policy, defence, whatever the political reason...fine. But for for the sake of your fellow Americans and the rest of the people on earth keep religion out of it.

Here is the Perry commercial that got me on this rant, in case you haven't seen it.


Strong - YouTube

How about separation of Church and CC Care??

[Shaved Yeti]

Originally Posted by The Woodman

How about separation of Church and CC Care??

Amen.

We all come from different faiths, political views, sexual orientations, or whatever. Please, for the sake of us all, let's make Cancuncare about people from all backgrounds coming together to make friends and have a great time. I respect all opinions and beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. Please don't attempt to push your beliefs on others in this forum. This isn't a place for a political rant. There are plenty of other sites where that would be much more welcome.

Thanks.

[jeff & deb]

However I believe that this is what "this" thread is about... Free for all. My understand that this thread is just for that. People say whatever is on there mind about whatever is going on.

This is where everyone from Cancuncare gets together to chat about whatever you fancy - politics, funnies, its open forum.

[rawkus]

As it is a "free for all" type of thread, then I see no point in censorship regarding various subjects.

[BillS]

Brewster, Are you sure you are not being as intolerant as Perry with this rant? Think it through....As for "worrying" about us in the USA, you can stop anytime...You will be happier...I say this with respect. You and your lovely wife seem great to us and we hope to meet you both someday down south in the warm sun...

[BillS]

Originally Posted by rawkus

As it is a "free for all" type of thread, then I see no point in censorship regarding various subjects.

Home run for Rawkus....

[kellyfitz11]

Brewster - I COULDN´T AGREE MORE. I am apalled. Your right, religion has absolutely no place in politics!! And it makes me sick when religious enthusiasts use religion as a tool to discriminate!! I believe everyone is entitled to freedom of religion, but in my opinon I will never understand something that has caused countless wars in the world and encourages distorted views of human rights. Not to mention that gays serving in the military?!? (it´s their GOD given right! no pun intended).... has NOTHING to do with this ¨war on religion¨that Rick Perry has single handly invented in his mind. The fact that he can compare crucial human rights equality issues with the name of a holiday decoration is blasphemous, if not insulting to say the least!

[The Woodman]

Originally Posted by kellyfitz11

Brewster - I COULDN´T AGREE MORE. I am apalled. Your right, religion has absolutely no place in politics!! And it makes me sick when religious enthusiasts use religion as a tool to discriminate!! I believe everyone is entitled to freedom of religion, but in my opinon I will never understand something that has caused countless wars in the world and encourages distorted views of human rights. Not to mention that gays serving in the military?!? (it´s their GOD given right! no pun intended).... has NOTHING to do with this ¨war on religion¨that Rick Perry has single handly invented in his mind. The fact that he can compare crucial human rights equality issues with the name of a holiday decoration is blasphemous, if not insulting to say the least!

Really don't think we'll have to worry about Perry getting nominated anyway - We've got 2 other fruit cakes to far ahead of him!!!

[rawkus]

Originally Posted by kellyfitz11

Brewster - I COULDN´T AGREE MORE. I am apalled. Your right, religion has absolutely no place in politics!! And it makes me sick when religious enthusiasts use religion as a tool to discriminate!! I believe everyone is entitled to freedom of religion, but in my opinon I will never understand something that has caused countless wars in the world and encourages distorted views of human rights. Not to mention that gays serving in the military?!? (it´s their GOD given right! no pun intended).... has NOTHING to do with this ¨war on religion¨that Rick Perry has single handly invented in his mind. The fact that he can compare crucial human rights equality issues with the name of a holiday decoration is blasphemous, if not insulting to say the least!

Well put!

Ps. Wasnt it G W whom claimed "God" told him to go to war in both Afghanistan and Iraq..? Maybe one sip too many on that whiskey bottle, hehe And I believe Palin also had some less than great moments about "Gods" involvement in the invasions? Its like a Comedy Central "Best of" data bank. Crazy stuff.

[BillS]

Originally Posted by rawkus

Well put!

Ps. Wasnt it G W whom claimed "God" told him to go to war in both Afghanistan and Iraq..? Maybe one sip too many on that whiskey bottle, hehe And I believe Palin also had some less than great moments about "Gods" involvement in the invasions? Its like a Comedy Central "Best of" data bank. Crazy stuff.

GW claimimg God "told him"...? Actually, no. Your facts are misplaced on this one....Palin? Maybe....

[BillS]

Originally Posted by The Woodman

Really don't think we'll have to worry about Perry getting nominated anyway - We've got 2 other fruit cakes to far ahead of him!!!

And one already in office! Or, do his oft-stated Christian beliefs not matter to you since he is a democrat? Hmmmmm ?

[rawkus]

Originally Posted by BillS

GW claimimg God "told him"...? Actually, no. Your facts are misplaced on this one....

Hence the question mark, hehe

Cant remember where I read about it. Sure is quite a few years ago, but Im sure its all over the web, for anyone interested. Think Family Guy(or The Simpsons?) made a skit about it, where "God" sets G W straight, saying "I never told you to invade" or something similar.

[Ben & Lisa]

Perry hasnt a snowballs chance in hell of being getting the nomination.

[The Woodman]

[BillS]

Originally Posted by rawkus

Hence the question mark, hehe

Cant remember where I read about it. Sure is quite a few years ago, but Im sure its all over the web, for anyone interested. Think Family Guy(or The Simpsons?) made a skit about it, where "God" sets G W straight, saying "I never told you to invade" or something similar.

Can I be more clear w/o being offensive? GW never made that claim and it is a disservice to imply no matter how many Simpson episodes were run having fun with it. I can understand (however grudgingly) a poor, poor decison based on incorrect CIA information but would truly despise (and recall) if Bush had said, God told me to do it. One of the biggest problems we have in America are poorly informed voters (at least where I work) who propagate half-truths....Hugs, Bill.

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by BillS

Can I be more clear w/o being offensive? GW never made that claim and it is a disservice to imply no matter how many Simpson episodes were run having fun with it. I can understand (however grudgingly) a poor, poor decison based on incorrect CIA information but would truly despise (and recall) if Bush had said, God told me to do it. One of the biggest problems we have in America are poorly informed voters (at least where I work) who propagate half-truths....Hugs, Bill.

I did a search to see if I could find any evidence that Bush publically stated that God told him to go to Iraq. I found two things. Neither took place in the U.S.. Jacques Chirac, the French President at the time claimed that Bush attempted to garner his support by telling him that the action was fufilling biblical prophecy. I believe the details are published in Chirac's memiors.

He reportedly said he was on a mission from god at a Israeli-Palestinian summit in 2003. Nabil Shaath, who was Palestinian foreign minister at the time, said: "President Bush said to all of us: 'I am driven with a mission from God'. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did."

Did those things really take place? Who knows?

[rawkus]

Originally Posted by BillS

Can I be more clear w/o being offensive? GW never made that claim and it is a disservice to imply no matter how many Simpson episodes were run having fun with it. I can understand (however grudgingly) a poor, poor decison based on incorrect CIA information but would truly despise (and recall) if Bush had said, God told me to do it. One of the biggest problems we have in America are poorly informed voters (at least where I work) who propagate half-truths....Hugs, Bill.

I never meant to state that because Simpsons(Fam Guy?) did a skit on it, "it must be true"

I remember it from a BBC documentary about the Middle East. I think Brewsters second part, the one about the Palestinian minister, is the one Im referring to.

I still put my cash on that it was the booze and white powder talking

Im still amazed that many of the American politicians even get any votes...

My neighbor, whom sees himself as "neither Dem nor Repub", said: "I have to give some credit to the Democrats and their representatives, as they, at least, can complete sentences and pronounce words"

One thing Ive always been curious about: Whenever I have learned and read about politics in America, it seems like there is pretty much only two sides: Repubs and Dems. Are there other parties/branches, or is it limited to only two? Cant remember ever hearing about a third option...

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by BillS

Brewster, Are you sure you are not being as intolerant as Perry with this rant? Think it through....As for "worrying" about us in the USA, you can stop anytime...You will be happier...I say this with respect. You and your lovely wife seem great to us and we hope to meet you both someday down south in the warm sun...

Thanks Bill, for the kind words.

I think what Lincoln said, "government of the people, by the people, for the people" is brilliant.

Allowing religion to influence political decisions is a grave mistake. For starters it empowers the leaders of religious denominations. Politicians visibly appease them in an attempt to not alienate them and their congregation.

America is the most powerful and influential nation on Earth. It's a small planet and we are your closest neighbors with a lot vested in the decisions and actions of Washington. That's why I "worry". And I like you guys so I "worry" about you too...

Criticising religion is the great taboo. We are told we should be tolerant of others beliefs. If, as a Christian, you bring someone into "the flock" you are "saving him". It's celebrated. But if you are an atheist and attempt to sway the opinion of a religious person you are "doing the devil's work". So, very neatly, it's very good to persuade someone to believe in god but very bad to do the opposite.

When you supress knowledge and open discussion you invite ignorance and blind obedience. That is the enemy of your constitution.

How should people have behaved when religious leaders denounced as heretics those that claimed the earth was not the center of the universe and in fact revolved around the sun? They had them socially ostracized or even put to death.

All religions attempt to either fit newly discovered facts into the constraints of their beliefs or dismiss them as blasphemy. How can that be good except that it removes the threat to the foundations of religious beliefs?

Freedom should included the freedom to question everything.

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

I didn't view the video Brewster but if it's the one where Perry openly condemned gay people that serve in the military I just can't understand how that attitude can exist in the modern world.

Politically this stirs up more people down in the States than here in Canada, mostly because we are further to the left overall and it would amount to political suicide on the part of any candidate who would say anything of the sort. I believe our friends across the pond in the UK and Europe would agree in general.

I know that there are lots of people on here who have served in the military (insert country as to where from), that I am sure have opinions on this matter. I think it would be interesting to find out what they think.

My personal opinion is that Perry's ad would scare me away from supporting him were I an American citizen. To my mind excluding gay people from the military is discrimination that I just don't agree with.

Again I know it can be a sensitive subject but it's one that is worthy of debate I think.

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

Originally Posted by Shaved Yeti

Amen.

We all come from different faiths, political views, sexual orientations, or whatever. Please, for the sake of us all, let's make Cancuncare about people from all backgrounds coming together to make friends and have a great time. I respect all opinions and beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. Please don't attempt to push your beliefs on others in this forum. This isn't a place for a political rant. There are plenty of other sites where that would be much more welcome.

Thanks.

To be fair, in the description of the Free for all forum...

This is where everyone from Cancuncare gets together to chat about whatever you fancy - politics, funnies, its open forum

So it is open game as far as I'm concerned

[rdubnpk]

Originally Posted by Canadian Dos Equis fan

I didn't view the video Brewster but if it's the one where Perry openly condemned gay people that serve in the military I just can't understand how that attitude can exist in the modern world.

Politically this stirs up more people down in the States than here in Canada, mostly because we are further to the left overall and it would amount to political suicide on the part of any candidate who would say anything of the sort. I believe our friends across the pond in the UK and Europe would agree in general.

I know that there are lots of people on here who have served in the military (insert country as to where from), that I am sure have opinions on this matter. I think it would be interesting to find out what they think.

My personal opinion is that Perry's ad would scare me away from supporting him were I an American citizen. To my mind excluding gay people from the military is discrimination that I just don't agree with.

Again I know it can be a sensitive subject but it's one that is worthy of debate I think.

rdubnpk
Someone who is willing to put life and limb in jeopardy to protect me and mine is worthy of my respect, regardless of sexual orientation. Bless you all and thanks from the bottom of my heart.

[gabesz]

Before they made being gay openly in the military acceptable earlier this year, gays served in the military without any major issues. Some had issues because they were so openly gay they flaunted it with the straight soldiers and actually made attempts to convert them to be gay. This is where the problems with gays in the military came into a problem. In reality don't ask don't tell was not really an issue as it is no issue anywhere else in society. We should have left them alone to serve their country and as long as they protected us and the rest of their platoons who cares if they are gay or not. I never cared who killed Osama as long as they were Americans. One day it may come out that the soldier who actually shot Osasma was gay(by the way I do not know this but just assuming what if?) and the gay community will rub this into everyone's face as see we told you so?

There are problems with both sides of this issue. Let the soldeirs serve their country, and what they do behind closed doors is none of our business.

As for Gov. Perry he can say whatever he wants since we live in a free country. Like it or not the straight and gay soldiers make sure that he can speak as he wishes and express his opinions freely. If you do not like him don't vote for him. Plain and simple as it can get. If you don't vote for a candidate the less likely you will hear their opinion.

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

One sentence caught my eye...

Originally Posted by gabesz

Some had issues because they were so openly gay they flaunted it with the straight soldiers and actually made attempts to convert them to be gay.

Can't we just say that some soldiers felt uncomfortable being hit on? I would hope at this point we could get past the whole recruitment BS... If a gay guy hits on me I will say no thanks, but not assume I am being recruited lol. I think it's become pretty clear that people are either gay or straight and that its not a learned trait.

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by Canadian Dos Equis fan

One sentence caught my eye...



Can't we just say that some soldiers felt uncomfortable being hit on? I would hope at this point we could get past the whole recruitment BS... If a gay guy hits on me I will say no thanks, but not assume I am being recruited lol. I think it's become pretty clear that people are either gay or straight and that its not a learned trait.

You can't make someone gay...and you can't make someone straight either, which I would suggest is tried far more frequently.

I understand that Michele Bachman was pretty worried it was going to be open season on sheep after Article 125 banning bestiality was striken.

Article 125 states: “(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense. (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”

Geez...drop that and there will be goat lap dances in canteens everywhere.

And Obama is waging a war on religion? Really?? There is nothing like fabricating a threat and feeding the fear to motivate ignorant voters.

[Ben & Lisa]

I have decided I am a lesbian.....

Ben

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by Ben & Lisa

I have decided I am a lesbian.....

I'm very sad to hear that Lisa...

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

Originally Posted by Ben & Lisa

I have decided I am a lesbian.....

Gotta one up you somehow...

I hereby decalre myself King Lesbian! I knew remembering quotes from random South Park episodes would come in handy!

[rawkus]

Merry Christmas everyone!

[The Woodman]

Originally Posted by rawkus

Merry Christmas everyone!

Merry Christmas!!!!