Maybe the Big O is not the wimp you think

[rdubnpk]

rdubnpk
The third (at least the third reported) Iranian nuclear scientist went to meet Allah this week. There have also been reports of nuclear research facilities being bombed, as well. Sounds like the work of the Israelis but I believe sincerely that, if it is in fact them, that the Big O is well aware of what is going on and most likely assisting in any way possible without causing the finger of responsibility to be pointed our way. (See drone captured on Iranian territory). He has shown no qualms about sending drones into Pakistan and was quietly instrumental in the overthrow of Qadafi (sp) in Libya. Maybe he isn't the wimp we all think he is????

[Jamie]

What are you suggesting? That he's running a secret war in Iran?

The invasion of Iran was supposed to be a Republicans tactic that they are getting called idiots for?

Obama’s is already there?

So he's more of a war monger then the Republicans?

So much for his Peace Prize work.

Jamie

[Brewster]

Someone thought he was a wimp?

I can see, "bought and paid for" but not really "wimp".....lol.

Anyone, he has a point. If Israel is behind it you would have to think the Whitehouse is being kept in the loop and maybe providing intel.

If you really are going to invade Iran, maybe you should stop saving all their sailors beforehand...lol

[Jamie]

Oh.. and might not want to gut the military before you do too... oppps... that's already in the owrks.

20% of the government budget is being hit with 50% of the total cuts... yup.. that sounds fair.... like a the tax code.

Jamie

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

Originally Posted by Jamie

Oh.. and might not want to gut the military before you do too... oppps... that's already in the owrks.

20% of the government budget is being hit with 50% of the total cuts... yup.. that sounds fair.... like a the tax code.

Jamie

It's ok, you guys still spend more than the rest of the world combined on your military. I think you'll be ok for a while yet.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by Canadian Dos Equis fan

It's ok, you guys still spend more than the rest of the world combined on your military. I think you'll be ok for a while yet.

That is true... but when the shit hits the fan, who does the world come looking for to clean it up? I will agree that even Canada might kick in a thousand troops here and there and maybe a ship or two... but it's American who lead the way.

And by that statement I do not mean in anyway to minimize the sacrifice made by any country's military. It just that since WWII until Libya, everyone has looked to the US to provide the muscle while sitting back and calling us war mongers at the same time. And even in Libya if the US had not provided the coordination efforts by the Navy, NATO would still be trying to figure out what to do.

If China said tomorrow that it was going to invade Taiwan, whose aircraft carrier is going to be sitting in the thick of things? That ship that the rest of the world depends on costs money.

So yeah, we spend more than the rest cause the rest depend on us to do so. If you think that's wrong then by all mean please tell your government to start building their own aircraft carriers to defend the world and we'll reduce our spending.

Jamie

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by Jamie

That is true... but when the shit hits the fan, who does the world come looking for to clean it up? I will agree that even Canada might kick in a thousand troops here and there and maybe a ship or two... but it's American who lead the way.

And by that statement I do not mean in anyway to minimize the sacrifice made by any country's military. It just that since WWII until Libya, everyone has looked to the US to provide the muscle while sitting back and calling us war mongers at the same time. And even in Libya if the US had not provided the coordination efforts by the Navy, NATO would still be trying to figure out what to do.

If China said tomorrow that it was going to invade Taiwan, whose aircraft carrier is going to be sitting in the thick of things? That ship that the rest of the world depends on costs money.

So yeah, we spend more than the rest cause the rest depend on us to do so. If you think that's wrong then by all mean please tell your government to start building their own aircraft carriers to defend the world and we'll reduce our spending.

Jamie

There's a lot of truth there. America's strength has served as a detterent for agressive nations for decades.

Ron Paul has a point too, I think. Excessive military presence in foreign regions can have a negative effect. As he says, no-one would be happy with Iranian warships patroling off the coast of New York. It's a tricky balance I think.

It's always annoying to me how little America's media recognizes Canada's contribution's though. Our presence in Afghanistan from the start has been the third largest behind The U.S. and Britain. We are a small population in comparison. But U.S. media mentions pretty much everyone but us. Many fine young Canadians have given their lives over there or come home with life changing injuries.

Fox News really ticked me off with their repeated reports that many of the 9-11 hijackers entered the U.S. through Canada. Of course none of them did but their inaccurate reporting had a lot of American's convinced.

[rawkus]

Brewster: People that follow FAUX should not be taken seriously. Its that simple

Their "reporting" make tabloids look like professionals.

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by rawkus

Brewster: People that follow FAUX should not be taken seriously. Its that simple

Their "reporting" make tabloids look like professionals.

Lol... true. About the only thing they get right is the date. They sure provide Jon Stewart with some great material.

[blh902]

I have to doubt that we were kept in the loop on this. With all the discourse between obama and Netenyahu, I bet Netenyahu figures it is time to go it alone. And, the way our intel agencies have been gutted and ridiculed, why would they want to work with us?

[Brewster]

Originally Posted by blh902

I have to doubt that we were kept in the loop on this. With all the discourse between obama and Netenyahu, I bet Netenyahu figures it is time to go it alone. And, the way our intel agencies have been gutted and ridiculed, why would they want to work with us?

My thinking is that the U.S. is a huge military, political and financial support to Israel. Certainly the U.S. would be one of Iran's prime suspects. It would be very much in Israel's interest to keep the Whitehouse in the loop, to avoid any issues that would jeopardize the relationship and enable the U.S. to prepare a public response.

[Ben & Lisa]

Originally Posted by Brewster

My thinking is that the U.S. is a huge military, political and financial support to Israel. Certainly the U.S. would be one of Iran's prime suspects. It would be very much in Israel's interest to keep the Whitehouse in the loop, to avoid any issues that would jeopardize the relationship and enable the U.S. to prepare a public response.

The second largest lobby after the NRA is the jewish lobby. Israel pretty much has carte blanche to do as it please.

I dont think Obama is a wimp. I think he is a left wing loon who has been a total failure as POTUS.

[rdubnpk]

Originally Posted by Ben & Lisa

The second largest lobby after the NRA is the jewish lobby. Israel pretty much has carte blanche to do as it please.

I dont think Obama is a wimp. I think he is a left wing loon who has been a total failure as POTUS.

rdubnpk
Who replaced the right wing loon who, for the most part, is responsible for the mess we are in.

[twinimini]

Originally Posted by rdubnpk

rdubnpk
Who replaced the right wing loon who, for the most part, is responsible for the mess we are in.

Actually the responsibility for the mess we are in, at least as far as Iran goes, rests with our Ultimate American Wimp, one James Earl Carter.

[Ben & Lisa]

Originally Posted by rdubnpk

rdubnpk
Who replaced the right wing loon who, for the most part, is responsible for the mess we are in.

Bush was far from right wing and for a variety of reasons. And of course the moron you voted for has done zero to help and quit a few things that harm, despite having two years of complete control of congress.

[rdubnpk]

Originally Posted by Ben & Lisa

Bush was far from right wing and for a variety of reasons. And of course the moron you voted for has done zero to help and quit a few things that harm, despite having two years of complete control of congress.

rdubnpk
To sum up Bush's ineptitude we need speak but one word, Iraq. We are still paying for that folly and will still be paying for it for decades to come. Period.
And, part deux, I readily admit that the BIG O has been a major disappointment, while those of you of who are Repubs seem to thing W did absolutely nothing wrong??? That is what's scary. If we don't learn from the mistakes of the past, it is likely we elect someone just as incompetent to repeat them.

[Ben & Lisa]

Originally Posted by rdubnpk

rdubnpk
To sum up Bush's ineptitude we need speak but one word, Iraq. We are still paying for that folly and will still be paying for it for decades to come. Period.
And, part deux, I readily admit that the BIG O has been a major disappointment, while those of you of who are Repubs seem to thing W did absolutely nothing wrong??? That is what's scary. If we don't learn from the mistakes of the past, it is likely we elect someone just as incompetent to repeat them.

I think the way Bush went about Iraq was naive and a mistake. Trying to nation build in the middle east is pouring money down a dry hole.
Of course Obama has followed the Bush script in Afghanistan to a "T".

[BillS]

Can I quietly suggest that every single post preceding mine here is true and accurate and you all are NOT in disagreement?? The question is not to what degree Bush and Obama have made mistakes or are/were disappointments. My question is :Why do WE put these politicians on such grand pedestals and look to them for so much? They are just men, or women, and no better that the folks on this board.

Also, O is no wimp. He is a damn killer. An assasin. As they say in the projects, "he don't play". Amazingly, his followers still conside him the Peace Candidate. Now excuse me, I'm off to work to join the 1%...

[rdubnpk]

Originally Posted by BillS

Can I quietly suggest that every single post preceding mine here is true and accurate and you all are NOT in disagreement?? The question is not to what degree Bush and Obama have made mistakes or are/were disappointments. My question is :Why do WE put these politicians on such grand pedestals and look to them for so much? They are just men, or women, and no better that the folks on this board.

Also, O is no wimp. He is a damn killer. An assasin. As they say in the projects, "he don't play". Amazingly, his followers still conside him the Peace Candidate. Now excuse me, I'm off to work to join the 1%...

rdubnpk
And W is responsible for the deaths and maiming of countless of our own. Now go join the 1%.

[Ben & Lisa]

Originally Posted by rdubnpk

rdubnpk
And W is responsible for the deaths and maiming of countless of our own. Now go join the 1%.

And so is your boy Obama.... He is also into torture as well because hes kept Gitmo open, despite promising the left wing loons he calls his base that he would shut it down.

Your boy is also guilty of funneling money to a company(Solyndra) who contributed to his campaign, said company then goes bankrupt, sucking 500 million from the US tax payer in the process. Of course the bankruptcy was coordinated by the administration not to occur before the 2010 elections. Talk about a quid pro quo..

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

I'd be pretty mad too if my government handed out 500 billion in loans! Just kidding noticed the typo and couldn't resist.

[Ben & Lisa]

Originally Posted by Canadian Dos Equis fan

I'd be pretty mad too if my government handed out 500 billion in loans! Just kidding noticed the typo and couldn't resist.

Not sure what your referring to?

[Ben & Lisa]

In another brilliant move Obama torpedoed Keystone XL today...
What would one expect form a "community organizer" who palls around with the likes of Noam Chomsky, Saul Alinski, Bill Ayers and Jeremiah wright.

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

Originally Posted by Ben & Lisa

Not sure what your referring to?

You refer to a $500 billion loan to Solyndra. The number is actually $500 million. Which as it turned out was still a bad loan, but this isn't the first time a government has tried to subsidize a new or fledgling industry. Just as a matter of scale the government of Canada's federal budget for 2011 was less than $300 billion.

[Ben & Lisa]

Originally Posted by Canadian Dos Equis fan

You refer to a $500 billion loan to Solyndra. The number is actually $500 million. Which as it turned out was still a bad loan, but this isn't the first time a government has tried to subsidize a new or fledgling industry. Just as a matter of scale the government of Canada's federal budget for 2011 was less than $300 billion.

Ha, never noticed that.
Not the first government loan by any means, but how the loan was obtained was really sleazy and was total payoff to obama donnors/backers.

[Brewster]

I think there is plenty of blame to pass around everywhere, don't you? Bush, Frank, Obama, Unions, Financial Institutions, naive or irresponsible borrowers, abusers of assistance programs, media, advertisers creating false demands, domestic companies using cheap foreign labor to increase profits, environmentalist lobby's creating a nightmare of red tape to get anything done. It goes on and on.

The really frustrating thing now, I think for everyone, is that nobody is thrilled with the candidates before us. I'm including Canada and most countries in this.

Maybe it's our own fault. People don't really want to hear the truth and face the hard decisions and sacrifices necessary to move toward fixing the mess. We are not the same people that made up the nations that faced the great depression and two world wars with honor and courage and scrimped and saved to improve their lot in life.

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

Originally Posted by Brewster

I think there is plenty of blame to pass around everywhere, don't you? Bush, Frank, Obama, Unions, Financial Institutions, naive or irresponsible borrowers, abusers of assistance programs, media, advertisers creating false demands, domestic companies using cheap foreign labor to increase profits, environmentalist lobby's creating a nightmare of red tape to get anything done. It goes on and on.

The really frustrating thing now, I think for everyone, is that nobody is thrilled with the candidates before us. I'm including Canada and most countries in this.

Maybe it's our own fault. People don't really want to hear the truth and face the hard decisions and sacrifices necessary to move toward fixing the mess. We are not the same people that made up the nations that faced a depression, two world wars with honor and courage and scrimped and saved to improve their lot in life.

Yup have to agree with you Bruce, I remember in the early 90's living in Saskatchewan the NDP doing the hard things to get back on track (that's our most left leaning party for my American friends). They closed multiple small rural hospitals, schools and a lot of other services while putting the sales tax up 2% at the time.

While in its current form I don't support the NDP (in Saskatchewan, Alberta or on a federal level) I have to give Roy Romanow credit he did the things that needed to be done. Looking as an outsider at the American election process I can't say I see any of the candidates being willing or able to deliver the kinds of cuts and/or tax raises needed. But we do get to enjoy how Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart are exposing how ridiculous and open to corruption the campaign process is!

[Ben & Lisa]

Canadian politics overview by Yank who lived there 6 years: NDP= somewhere to the left of Joseph Stalin, Liberals- just to the left of the Democrat party, PC- roughly equivalent to centrist Democrats.
The difference is, do to the election structure and form of government CA has the politicians are alot more pragmatic and less partisan.
Just what I observed in a nutshell.

[Canadian Dos Equis fan]

Originally Posted by Ben & Lisa

Canadian politics overview by Yank who lived there 6 years: NDP= somewhere to the left of Joseph Stalin, Liberals- just to the left of the Democrat party, PC- roughly equivalent to centrist Democrats.
The difference is, do to the election structure and form of government CA has the politicians are alot more pragmatic and less partisan.
Just what I observed in a nutshell.

a bit for sure. I have always thought having congressional elections every two years for you guys hurts you. From the moment most of those guys get into office they are starting to campaign for their next term. They can't spend any time actually getting anything done!

[Ben & Lisa]

The problem isnt the term length its the money that changes hands to pay for said elections and the strings that come with.