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11-01-2011, 11:27 PM
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast  Join Date: 2nd Jan 2010 Location: Plainville, Massachusetts
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|  Immigration Debate I don't know why all of you ex-pats living in Cancun are so concerned about your immigration status...??????? In the USA, we now have over 15 million illegal Mexicans living here....!! They never seem to be worried about their immigrant status!!!! In fact!!!!!! We have so many laws which are on the books which are never enforced - regarding illegal immigrants.....I wonder why they are still on the books,,?? Governor Rick Perry of Texas just signed legislation which allows the children of illegal immigrants to attend any state college - FREE OF CHARGE!!!!!!!!!!!! While citizens of Texas must PAY the going state rate for in-state residents............!!! AND, out-of-state residents MUST pay the out-of-state tuition, which is much higher than for residents (legal!) of Texas.......!!!!! In the Republiik of Kalifornia - Governor Jerry Brown just signed a bill into law - which allows ILLEGAL IMMIGANTS from Mexico to drive LEGALLY - with a Mexican ID card and no driver's license - at all........!!!!!!!! Can I drive ANYWHERE in the usa - with just my social security card and NO driver's license.???????????? I THINK ALL OF YOU KNOW THE RIGHT ANSWER!!!!!!
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11-02-2011, 05:39 AM
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| I can choose my own title  Join Date: 2nd Apr 2009 Location: Cancun, Centro
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| Mexico has one of the most liberal immigration regimes I've ever seen, anywhere in the world; that, combined with the appeal to many of living in Mexico, has resulted in what the U.S. Government estimates at there being more than one million U.S. citizens currently living in residence in Mexico. Those who fully understand the requirements of the status of Visitante Rentista in Mexico, one of the most popular among expats living here, will also recognize that literally tens of millions of Mexican citizens could qualify for the equivalent of a Visitante Rentista status in the U.S., and have residency there- if the laws of the U.S. were equally liberal. The Mexican Citizen could enter the U.S., with permission to stay 180 days, during which he could apply for a change of status to Visitante Rentista and receive permission to stay, indefinitely, subject to annual renewals (under the old law), and with permanent permission to stay, under the new law.  Viva Mexico! |
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11-02-2011, 05:48 PM
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 12th Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| v8eyedoc, it's called **a politically correct society** with a self-proclaimed guilt of all those who live and work legally, pay taxes and fees, so that all the refugees and illegals could enjoy a free ride with all the benefits and bonuses, from driving without a driver's license to getting a FREE education at any university. V, it is NOT about Renter/Visitor status in the USA for Mexicans or any other people, entering USA illegally. I have nothing against legal visitors to any country in the world, same applies to LEGAL immigrants. But I'll always be opposed to all those refugees and illegals coming into any country and getting a free ride with free education, medical insurance, bonuses and employment only because they tend to make a mostly false claims about persecutions in their own country and tend to have to **right** skin color. Just Google **Affirmative Action Canada** and **White men don't need to apply**. I always thought that it's about professionalism and knowledge, and NOT the color of the skin or being a former refugee.... apparently it's not the case anymore.... |
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11-02-2011, 06:55 PM
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| I can choose my own title  Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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One can spin this in all directions, something that the "oh now, we are not racist!" Sweden Democrats know all about. Ill give you a hint: Many "white" Canadians oppose all this, yet have no problem seeing the native inhabitants, living in designated areas etc. Note: I do NOT think that "two wrongs make a right", but Im simply trying to show how easy it is to twist it into something that benefits YOUR hatred. When I say "your", I dont mean you Scorpio, but rather the average "you". Sweden is very lenient towards immigrants, but then we also make truly f*cked up decisions: Two examples from last week: 1: A 91-year old Ukrainian lady that suffers from various diseases, including Alzheimer's(or similar), was hours from being deported, even though she has a whole heap of years in the country and has all her family in Sweden, including daughter and granddaughter... It all took a funny turn when the newspapers spread the word(our "lovely" Right wing coalition wanted to keep it secret...) and due to a LOT of people weighing in, she got to stay. A 93 year old retiree that recently moved to Thailand, said: "She can take MY place in Sweden! I dont mind."  2: A 19-year old kid was deported the other day. One problem: The Swedish immigration couldnt decide where he was from, so they chose Tanzania out of 3 options... Turned out to be the wrong country, and now Tanzania wants to deport him... Two examples, that obviously do NOT set the standard, but still, messed up if you ask me. Meanwhile, the Balkan and Russian(former Soviet) mafias are killing, extorting etc, openly, all over Stockholm. Once arrested, nothing... Id gladly let the old lady and the 19-year old refugee stay, rather than house these scum that are messing up a country, completely. Ps. Not even going to bring up the US demanded deportations to Egypt, Algeria etc. that our lovely Govt have conducted, ending with several of them being tortured and killed upon arrival... I guess Im trying to say: Blame the guilty ones. Such as our Govt that refuse to initiate new integration programs, and that support segregation("Ahhh, you live here, whilst the Swedes live over there...") | |
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11-03-2011, 12:37 AM
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| Cancuncare Enthusiast Join Date: 2nd Jan 2010 Location: Plainville, Massachusetts
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Some dumb lawyer has taken it upon himself to sue - CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY in Washington, DC on behalf of about 100 Muslims who are students there and have no place to pray to Allah 5 times a day in any room that does not have Catholic statues of saints or crosses on the wall.........!!!! DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH......!!!!!!!! Guess what.????????? these students do not even care.!!! BUT we have another PC lawyer stepping up to the plate....!
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11-03-2011, 04:53 PM
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 12th Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Rawkus, unfortunately the whole Western world these days tries to create some kind of a guilty feelings, just like if the Western world is at fault for all the problems in Africa, Asia or whatever the country a refugee comes from. The main reason and idea of MOST of the refugees, coming to Europe and North America is to collect a hefty welfare, all kinds of benefits, free medical services etc etc. Do they want to work? NO! Do they want to learn about the culture of the country they are living in??? NO Do they want to learn the language?? NO! And why should they, when they are given everything on a silver plate by the government?? You touched an issue with Natives in Canada. OK, do you know that natives here have all kinds of privileges and benefits??? Here, have a read: Canada's Native Peoples - J.J.'s Complete Guide to Canada **Canada's surviving aboriginal peoples currently receive various special privileges under Canadian law. These privileges stem from a series of documents known as the "Indian Acts. Natives who live on a reserve are not required to pay Canadian taxes, and are allowed to self-govern themselves in areas of law enforcement and criminal justice however they see fit. They're also exempt from a great deal of Canadian laws, most notably those which regulate hunting or fishing. Another notable controversy is the Native standard of living. Despite some notable advancements through affirmative-action programs, Canada's aboriginals remain quite clearly on the bottom end of the country's social scale. By and large, reserves tend to be rather poor, run-down communities. Rates of drug and alcohol abuse remain Canada's above average within the Indian population, and Canada's prisons likewise contain hugely disproportionate amount of Natives.** And now please tell me, why do I have to pay taxes, when they don't have to? Why do they have a priority with a job search?? Isn't it a reverse racism?? They have privileges to enter any university in Canada, but yet seem to resort to booze and selling illegal cigarettes from the reserves. So, who's to blame then??? Evil Canadians?? You give me 2 examples of the Swedish Immigration law. I agree that grandma should stay, but disagree with a 19 year old KID????? If he did manage to get to Sweden from Africa, then he's not a kid anymore. Where did he get money for that?? I know an example of a female refugee from Eritrea, who's been milking Sweden for welfare for over 7 years, then came to Canada, somehow claimed a refugee status AGAIN and got it AGAIN!! Now she's milking Canada for welfare, while being a Swedish citizen. How is that for an example?? Who's fault is that, that Balkan and Russian gangsters are terrorizing Stockholm?? Invandrarverkets (Swedish Ministry of Immigration)!!!!! They don't want to let in people with the knowledge of Swedish, with Swedish University education, willing to work and to contribute to the country, with no criminal record or intentions!!! I have not been on welfare 1 second in my life, that's why I do hate all those who come to any country, looking for a free ride!!! Likewise for the Affirmative Action, when skin color and the country of origin are more important for hiring that knowledge, professionalism, honesty and integrity. |
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11-03-2011, 05:29 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| Scorpio: Haha, was afraid of the multiple "!!!!!!!", CAPS Lock etc.  Im curious how you know that "most" refugees only want to suck welfare. It sounds exactly like the crap-aganda that Sverige Demokraterna(Sweden Democrats) dish out, daily... I also admire the fact that you "know" that they do NOT want to learn the language, that they do NOT want to work etc. I do know about the benefits of most Natives. I had the pleasure of both studying with several groups of Aboriginals in Australia, as well as simply live with them for several weeks. They were given a LOT of stuff, "for free", yet, for some strange reason, theyd rather be involved in decisions regarding their own nation, community etc, they rather wanted to study, to work, to be looked upon like any other citizen... But hey, they got weekly handouts, free living etc. How dare they complain, right? The text you quote, mentions "reserves", several times over. It sure sounds cozy and great to have it all for free, yet be limited(in many ways), to a reservation. You see it all in black and white, which is unfortunate, and, on top of it all, makes it hard for me to even take you seriously. Fresh in my mind: "Hordes of welfare sucking refugees" when a racist bastard blew up the Labour Party´s office in Oslo, and then resorted to kill a huge amount of young Norwegians, simply because they attended a summer camp, arranged by the "scary" Labour Party... That made it clear to me just how fast you are when it comes to jumping on the bandwagon. Sad, really... I wonder if Sweden would have let you stayed - would you be less bitter? Edit: Heres a dilemma for you: Many newly arrived immigrants in Sweden dont get the proper papers to work etc, until several years, one of the worst scenarios being an Iranian man who waited 11 years(!!) to be able to start working. That doesnt leave many options: Welfare or illegal work. I hope I dont have to point out which choice would/could be devastating for the person in question... Or he could just have jumped on a plane back to Iran, and been hung the very same day. Regarding the "kid": He arrived to Sweden at the age of 15, after his brother was tortured and executed. He didnt pay for his trip, as it wasnt his choice to flee. Many people manage to travel quite far without cash and a whole lot of them die whilst trying. Also, if you to the Northern part of Africa its not far at all to cross over to Europe. This kid caught up with several years of school when he arrived, learned the language and was on his way to complete his Civil engineer education. Speaks pretty much flawless Swedish, and was involved in several youth groups, with activities such as soccer, dancing etc. But hey, what a bastard, right? If youd read what I wrote, you would have seen that I blamed the Govt for the Russian and Balkan mafias... The issue is that even when we got big groups of people from Somalia, the Govt put those with chopped off hands into detention centers, whilst those whom committed those acts, showed enough cash, gold and such to get their permanent residency papers right away. Money and blood talks, "even" in Sweden. I dont blame you for being angry, but I can never even pretend to sympathize with you when you clearly have a twisted view of EVERY asylum seeker/refugee. The day you start judging people one by one(their personalities etc), then Im sure you will lighten up. Try it, it wont kill ya. Last edited by rawkus; 11-03-2011 at 05:58 PM. |
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11-03-2011, 05:35 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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I bow out of this discussion as of now, as its not going to lead anywhere. You know I dont mind speaking to you, but this subject is best left alone if you ask me. If you want the last word, then have it. Cheers mate. | |
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11-03-2011, 06:49 PM
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 12th Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Rawkus, my friend, it's not about having the last word in the debate..... How do I know about the refugees and welfare?? Very simple. Stats Canada provides that kind of information. I just don't have any rosy eye glasses and can look around and see what's really happening. And YES, I do know that they don't want to learn the language. It's not a rocket science to find it out, 5 minutes long conversation will tell you everything about their **willingness to learn**:-))) And I'm not even talking written skills here.... I'm not familiar with aboriginals in Australia, can't comment.. It's not about complaining, it's about using the opportunities given to you by the state!! Natives in Canada are NOT limited to a reservation! They can pursue any career or get any education if they want it. Refugees in Canada are allowed to work, but choose not to, plain and simple. It's very different from Sweden. We are trying to compare apples and oranges here... you give me some odd cases, which I obviously agree with (hard to ignore or disregard reasonable and fair claimants), and I'm trying to see the bigger picture.... Have a good and warm evening in Cancun!!! |
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11-03-2011, 11:12 PM
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If Id do the same with, lets say with Texans, then I should feel strongly against both TJ and V, right? Good thing I, even as a 5 year old boy, understood that actions/opinions of a few, does not represent the entire group of people/nationalities... Pheuw! Quote:
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Examples: A fairly large number of +60 year old Swedish men, travel to Thailand, Vietnam, Brazil etc. to engage in certain activities with girls and boys whom are under aged. By your standards, that would mean that my two uncles are the same, right? Russian mafia executing people in Stockholm = all Russians are the same? Balkan mafia = see above. All Norwegian men are mass murderers whom base their hatred on skin color, religion etc.? Im sure you get the point. If not, then I consider you a lost cause when it comes to unbiased thinking. Ps. Ive never once seen you write a single bad thing about those "born and raised" whom are on welfare, by choice. Or do we leave that aside, as it would further mess up a already twisted theory about "all" immigrants..? | |||||
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11-04-2011, 11:47 AM
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| Cancuncare Guru  Join Date: 30th Apr 2007
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| Interesting debate lads. Some good points from both sides. When does being accepting and PC cross the line into reverse discrimination. Is it right that employers have to have a quota of certain people based on skin and sex, rather than based on ability? Do people's backs get up because they feel that if they went to "the immigrants" country would they be afforded the same rights - a christian place to pray, welfare if needed etc? Ahhh religion, then bane of many a society, I'm sure without it we'd all get along better or would we just find something else to divide ourselves by? Refugees are one thing - fleeing persecution Immigrants - allowed to be there by our governments and hired by companies in our countries - can't complain about that Illegal immigrants - different kettle of fish need to be dealt with, either given papers or sent home. Me personally, I just despise laziness whoever you are, I despise people who think they are owed something for nothing regardless of race or where you're from. But I also think there needs to be a safety net of sorts should you fall. Whether you motivated by money, helping others, religion, you just have to be the best person you can be, tolerant to an extent, firm when needed. The over 60's post war generation created this world for us of uncertainty, of a lack of a job for life, of a lack of a pension when we get old etc. etc. while they enjoy their fat cat pensions and sit in their club chairs complaining of the state of the world today, even though they were the captains of industry that led us down this path. And behind it all the bankers and the lawyers get richer and richer What am I rambling on about! |
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11-04-2011, 04:47 PM
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 12th Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Rawkus, my friend. You definitely have some valid arguments and points, but then again we are discussing different level here..... You are right, I do judge people. PEOPLE, and NOT nations. I've been raised this way that one has to work hard, try to get better in all the aspects of life and thus achieve the goals and targets set. But then political correctness came along and suddenly skills, abilities and knowledge don't matter any longer. But skin color, sexual orientation and even sex(male or female) do. Just tell me, why Canadian RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) has to have a certain % of aboriginals, visible minorities, women and people from gay/lesbian/transgender community in the force?? I always thought that it's about skills, leadership, integrity, and not the color of one's skin..... Every governmental organization and structure in Canada has a quota to fill with visible minorities, women and aboriginals, disregarding their skills and abilities. As I said: Google **White men don't need to apply** and you'll see what I'm talking about..... I have nothing against people feeling persecution, but 99.9% of people in need of protection NEVER even make it past a refugee camp somewhere in the remote area... Then again-we have a very different vision of it, I'm totally opposed to the culture of entitlement to everything just because a person happens to be of the **right** skin color or from the politically correct community..... And you seem to somehow accept it..... I've encountered it all myself here in Canada, so I know what I'm talking about. |
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11-04-2011, 06:26 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| Scorpio: Will try to keep it short(lol). No, Im not for "entitlement" based on skin color etc. All I did was question your way of labeling every refugee as a "welfare sucking" something. My bad regarding entire nations, but still, it doesnt make a difference as you keep stating the point that ALL of them are the same. You do realize that ALL of them, means 100%? Im trying to put it simple and plain, in hopes that you will at least be able to think "some, many, a few" etc. instead of ALL of them. Your argument of "talking to someone for 5 mins" is as silly as it can get. You use 5 short mins, to judge an entire group of people(refugees, asylum seekers etc.) 5 mins... Think about the time, think about the various nationalities, think about the various backgrounds, reason why some have chosen to flee etc. Then repeat: Is 5 mins really sufficient? And, not to forget, one person. If some of the locals Ive met, would get the same judgment as you dish out, then Id be HATING Mexico, Mexicans and everything about the place. Maybe thats why you are so bitter about Cancun? Its not about "PC" or "non-pc", its about reality: Your way of labeling an entire group, is outright dangerous. I dont sugarcoat immigration, but I sure as hell dont judge all of them, based on a few. Its like having an election where the candidate with the fewest votes, wins On the quota in workplaces, I have never disagreed. Sweden was one of the first to implement that stupid crap, starting with female v/s male. One summer I worked with elderly people, suffering from Alzheimers. I only got the job, due to me being a guy... What do you think happened when my female colleagues found out? Lets say it wasnt pleasant, at all. Id love for you to meet some of the asylum seekers back home whom all have been waiting for papers to at least be able to start working, in many cases +7 years... I dare you to say the same thing to them, not because they would hurt you, but because you live in a bubble when it comes to stereotyping people. What would you tell em? "Go get a job, regardless!"? That way, they run a great risk of getting caught, thrown in jail, and then deported. Would you tell them that they are lazy and are simply there for the free ride? Try to put yourself in the exact same situation: You WANT to work, you HAVE a job lined up, yet they tell you "Oh, Sir... Be patient and wait for another 6-9 years and then well get you sorted, depending on the outcome of your asylum application, ok?" So, here you are, unable to leave the country(as long as your application is being processed), unable to work, etc. You get spat on by people that have the exact same way of thinking as you do when it comes to refugees...If you do insist on working(illegally), you will hear "boooo! Youre stealing OUR jobs!!!" and when you are waiting for all these years, you will hear stuff like "lazy f*cking immigrant!" etc. If people can look behind it, then even the rejects that vote for the Sweden Democrats, could get the entire picture. I dont ask for you to "like" every person that arrives to "your" country, but I do ask for you to realize the difference in some v/s all. If you insist, then we have hit a dead end, as I dont have enough energy to repeat it all. Id like to think you are smarter than this, as it sure as hell doesnt take much to be realistic and use pure logic. Your background should help you with this, as your nation of birth has experienced quite a lot when it comes to oppression an such. By all means, judge people, but do it individually. Its hardly too much to ask for. Remember: This is NOT meant as an attack on you, but rather a discussion. Dont take to personal, and if you do, please ask me and Ill clarify. Promise. Now its Friday night and I have a 6-pack of Modelo Especial to destroy, hehe. Cheers, Salud, Skĺl, Kippis, Prost, будьмо! |
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11-04-2011, 07:04 PM
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 31st Oct 2006
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Try to enter Mecca and have them remove photos of Allah or any religious objects and see what you get. Perhaps the lawyer needs to make that attempt. And if he is still alive after that then let him file his case. The sad problem here is not the lawyer filing this againts the school. Its the court even accepting this to review the case. Why not just reject this claim outright and go from there. Perhaps if the courts stop accepting these absurd cases the lawyers would stop filing them. | |
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11-04-2011, 07:10 PM
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 31st Oct 2006
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| Lets be realistic. If you come to the US in any form and end up eligible for citizenship you have the option of taking the citizenship exam in youri native language. Go to Mexico and you better know the answer to the citizenship questions in Spanish. Don't even thing of trying to answer or get the question in English. You will be thrown out of Immigration instantly. This is the same in every other country except the US. Actually in Canada you have 2 languages and depending on which province you are in that is the language the test will be given in. So if you don't want to learn French don't take the test in Quebec. We in the US have become too open for our own sake. Now there is nothing wrong with accepting people in the country LEGALLY but to bend over backwards for their individual needs and desires we are losing our identity of being Americans. When you come here and want to live here you need to become and American and whatever other nationality you may be second. And if you are not willing to give up that nationality then perhaps you should not enter the US. |
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11-04-2011, 09:35 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| Gabesz: Or you just slip the INM some cash and viola - your test result magically appears as a pass. A few years ago, when talking to a friend in NY whom works as a teacher, she said that the US didnt have an official language, "by law". Im curious if this is still the case? Most countries accept dual citizenships, and Im quite sure the US does as well. (Sweden didnt allow dual citizenship until after 2001.) |
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11-05-2011, 06:59 AM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 2nd Apr 2009 Location: Cancun, Centro
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| Right, on the first point, Rawkus, no official language. As to the second point, a U.S. citizen can acquire another citizenship; the problem comes trying to go the other way because, when a foreign national takes the oath of allegiance, as part of the U.S. naturalization process, he "fore swears all foreign allegiances". Whether taking U.S. citizenship works a divestiture of the former citizenship seems to depend on the law of that country. Mexico, as I understand it, has no issue with your taking a U.S. citizenship, and the oath does not cause you to lose your Mexican citizenship: other countries, like Germany, are not so understanding when one of their own wants to "leave the fold", as they see it. This is my take on this somewhat confusing issue. |
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11-05-2011, 07:19 AM
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USCIS- Study for the Test There may be exceptions/exemptions, but I don't think they're liberally given. | |
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11-05-2011, 11:10 AM
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| I can choose my own title  Join Date: 13th Apr 2003 Location: Cancun. QR, Mexico
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11-05-2011, 02:33 PM
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 12th Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Rawkus, my friend, I've never indicated that I'm trying to generalize my opinion about every single refugee or welfare recepient. I do judge it case by case, but unfortunately the overwhelming majority of cases, be it refugee applications or welfare reception only confirm my thoughts... There are definitely a lot of positive examples as well, no denial here. I'm bitter about Cancun?? NOT AT ALL! I still love it and promote it to anyone interested when given a chance (when being asked about places to go or things to do in Cancun by a Canadian)!! The ONLY reason for me to leave Cancun was the death of my closest friend Brian Miner, he WAS Cancun and Mexico for me.... He and his wonderful family..... Aida, his wife, and 3 daughters. I'm still in touch with them by the way. I have a lot of friends all over Mexico, from Cancun to Mexico city, and I get a lot of positive emotions from them. I don't think that one can try to pass a US citizenship test in any other language but English. In Canada you can do it in either English or French. |
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11-05-2011, 03:06 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| Scorpio: Im glad we at least agree that "majority" is not the same as "all" I myself, am more critical to my fellow, young and healthy Swedes, that simply refuse to do anything. They know the language(dooh), have an education, are integrated(dooh #2) and such. An asylum seeker in Sweden(example only), has to wait for papers, thus, has no choice but to receive help. Its against Swedish law to "be homeless" etc. A certain amount HAS to be available for EVERY person living in Sweden, according to that law. Our former govt wanted to push young Swedes into doing stuff such as highway cleaning etc, in exchange for their social welfare check, but the new Govt stopped that, stating "poor things, its not easy for them"... THAT pisses me off way more than any immigrant that would do the same, haha. Im curious as to why the US doesnt have an official language(yet?). I would never have guessed that. To round it off: Sorry about the loss of your friend. You told me about it, and its NEVER easy to lose a really good friend. Hope you can return one day and get past it and let Cancun make you feel good again. If you do, let me know - Ill provide the beer. Cheers. |
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11-05-2011, 06:40 PM
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 12th Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Good points, Rawkus!!! I'm very familiar with what is happening in Sweden these days (you know that) and I always kept wondering, same as you do, by the way, WHY it takes sooooo long for any person living in Sweden to obtain his papers and be able to work legally... My stand is that once the person is accepted as a refugee or whatever you might want to call, then give him/her all the papers right away, without a 6 years delay. It's either accepted and **here are your papers** or **sorry, you are outta here!** :-)))) One more time:-)) Cancun always makes me feel good, smiling and happy! Cancun and area, so to say. In case of Brian I was referring more to settling down PERMANENTLY in Cancun. I'm still not over this idea, just working on several options quietly and carefully. |
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11-05-2011, 07:32 PM
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11-05-2011, 07:39 PM
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As for English not being an official language, blame the lazy congress who are afraid to pass such a law since it offends non English speaking individuals. And if their rights are violated that is something that we who only speak English should not be upset with in any form. Of course our rights do not matter in this case. I think we ought to put the politicians on the highways to clean them up and see their lazy behinds working for a change instead of collecting a lifetime of perks once they get into an office. | |
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11-05-2011, 09:34 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| Scorpio: When Canadian friends of mine say "oh, you have no clue how bad Canadian bureaucracy is", I always laugh, thinking about Swedish paper pushing...  Its a messed up situation: Give them a temporary working visa or similar, as they, contrary to lazy Swedes, WANT to work. There are always jobs back home, yet its hard for companies to fill the positions: "Ok, we have several foreigners that could do this job, easily." Govt says "No, first lets get them papers. Be prepared to wait minimum 5 years..." "Ok, well, we found a good match with some young people whom are currently unemployed. Let talk to them!" "Huh? Me cleaning buses at the bus depot? For US$3000/month plus benefits? No way, that sh*ts boring...." Govt says "Well, if they dont want to do it, then theres nothing we can do..." Retardation on a high level, if you ask me. There are cases where people have lived in Sweden for more than 16 years, only to be denied to stay in the end... 16 years. Its madness. About Cancun: My bad, must have interpreted it wrong. I hope you can come down and find something in life that you are looking for, be it delicious fish-tacos or ice cold beer at a cenote, hehe |
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11-05-2011, 09:44 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
Posts: 1,018
| Gabesz: Maybe the people you know qualified for one/some of the exceptions? USCIS - Exceptions & Accommodations I cant find anything that says that one can pass the English test with any other language than.... English. From what Ive read, pushing English to be the official language, doesnt seem to be of much importance, for some reason? Democrats, Repubs etc. - Havent heard any serious push for it. I would assume the Repubs would be very in favor of it? All this made me curios. Might do some late night Google to see what other nations around the world has in place. When it comes to pushing people on welfare to "do chores": Back home the Govt hands out "seasonal work visas"(not the proper name...). We get a big bunch of people from Thailand that come and pick berries etc. Wouldnt that be a step in the right direction in US as well? Clearly, you guys also have the same issues when it comes to people whom see themselves as "too fancy for this". Maybe temporary working visas exist already. If so, then disregard my text on the subject. |
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11-06-2011, 01:21 PM
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 31st Oct 2006
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As for the seasonal work visas-in Hawaii they hand out temporary work visas for people from Honduras and Panama to pick the coffee since they cannot find enough local labor force to do the job right. Anyone want to move to Hawaii to pick coffee a few months each year? I am thinking of it. | |
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11-06-2011, 05:28 PM
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| I can choose my own title Join Date: 15th Sep 2008 Location: Cancun, Q Roo.
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| gabesz: Strange. I cant seem to find anything on the official website about passing the test without English, unless one qualifies for any of the exceptions. English sufficiency test without English..? Haha, cant figure that one out even if I tried. :O Hawaii, eh? Hmmmm... Why not? If it doesnt exist already, Im surprised that mainland US doesnt do the same thing. Clearly, lots of Americans cant be bothered with certain jobs, and thus, an entire nation is dependent on that workforce being brought in from elsewhere. I have a feeling that many(not all, haha) Americans want to both have the cake and eat it: "Yaaaay for cheap workers/services - boooooo for scary foreigners, taking our jobs..." Thats a classic back home as well. *sigh*... |
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11-06-2011, 06:16 PM
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| Cancuncare Regular Join Date: 12th Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 198
| Rawkus, I'm not that familiar with what's going on in the US, but I can tell you that in Canada it is entirely possibly and even encouraged that people take all kinds of tests in their own language, and NOT in English or French for this matter. One of them is the so called G1 Road test to obtain a Level 1 driver's licence. People are being asked a number of questions about road signs, general rules of the road etc. I always wonder how can they even be allowed to drive on the roads if they are unable to read road signs and traffic warnings????? No wonder every day is filled with major reports about collisions and road closures because of it. |
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11-06-2011, 06:54 PM
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| Cancuncare Addict Join Date: 31st Oct 2006
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And you are right Americans want their cake and eat it as well. Shame on us. | |
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