Cabo temptation Changing Back to Desire ???

[Cali_desire_cpl]

Friends of ours just got back from the Desire week at temptation Cabo. They met Patricia (the owner of Original resorts - Temptation & Desire's parent company) and a couple of her executives. They were there to check out the occupancy rates and get a feel of how things were going. The occupancy rate was 80-90%. The said they are seriously considering changing Temptation back to Desire since the Barcelo resort next door does not seem to be a factor - they have erected (pun intended) structures that block the Barcelo's view of the resort. I am curious to see what happens...Desire Cancun seems to be doing very well, they are looking for a west coast "outlet" of that resort. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Dave

[CLG]

My fingers are crossed that they change it back.

[Brewster]

My finger's are crossed that they leave it as is, or sell it.

Then build another bigger place or buy a nice existing place and turn it into a "Hedo" type resort.

Now that Hedo 3 is closing, and Hedo 2 is an older resort, the time is ripe to offer an alternative accepting couples and singles.

I think a resort of that nature, in Mexico, would go over HUGE. Lot's of people just don't like Jamaica and love Mexico.

The trouble, I suspect, would be in finding staff. I understand that it was difficult for Desire Los Cabos to find and keep people because of the overt sexual nature of the resort. Mexican's, on the whole, are very religious.

[litebeam]

Originally Posted by CLG

My fingers are crossed that they change it back.

Ditto!

We really enjoyed Desires and would go often.


"Temptations" just isn't the same.
We'll only go for takeovers in the future...

[Cali_desire_cpl]

Brewster,
We agree...make it a Desire resort that allows singles like Hedo. We don't care for the Hedo resorts and don't care for Jamaica. As far as getting staff to work at Desire, we have talked to many workers there. They said guys are dying to work at that resort...gee, wonder why. They are very selective in who they hire and have no tolerance for staff "mingling" with guests. I think Cabo would be a perfect place for a "hedo" type Desire resort.

Dave

[diamondheaded]

even though t and i are not swingers per say

......we would still go there is they changed to desire

already discussed and approved

rob

[Cali_desire_cpl]

Rob,
We are not swingers "per se" either....we have experimented a little....lol. We have made 10 trips to Desire and would have to say that about 50% of the people there are not swingers.....they are just couples looking to "explore"...that can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. It can be watching or being watched while having sex, it can be just being naked, it can be experimenting with others, it can be having sex on a beach bed at night........ I think people get the impression Desire is full of "hard core" swingers and is a non stop orgy....lol

Dave

[diamondheaded]

Originally Posted by Cali_desire_cpl

Rob,
We are not swingers "per se" either....we have experimented a little....lol. We have made 10 trips to Desire and would have to say that about 50% of the people there are not swingers.....they are just couples looking to "explore"...that can mean a lot of things to a lot of people. It can be watching or being watched while having sex, it can be just being naked, it can be experimenting with others, it can be having sex on a beach bed at night........ I think people get the impression Desire is full of "hard core" swingers and is a non stop orgy....lol

Dave

i would be the first to claim ignorance in this matter lol

same with t and i or let me rephrase that - she has experimented a little

if i were to experiment...............

you would find me in the obituary column the following morning

rob

[Cokewithlime]

Originally Posted by Cali_desire_cpl

Brewster,
We agree...make it a Desire resort that allows singles like Hedo. We don't care for the Hedo resorts and don't care for Jamaica. As far as getting staff to work at Desire, we have talked to many workers there. They said guys are dying to work at that resort...gee, wonder why. They are very selective in who they hire and have no tolerance for staff "mingling" with guests. I think Cabo would be a perfect place for a "hedo" type Desire resort.

Dave

Personally I don't see this ever happening, the Desire brand was and is built on being a (M/F) couples only resort. That part of the brand formula has highly contributed it's success and differentiated it from the Hedos.

They sure need to do something with the Cabo location since it only average 25>30% occupancy unless there is a group or Desire week when they manage to get it up to 70% for that specific week.

It is pretty much an acknowledged industry fact that it is almost impossible to duplicate a unique resort formula - both Desire RM and Temptations Cancun consistently average 80+% - they have now tried both formats at the Cabo location with dismal results

[litebeam]

Originally Posted by Cokewithlime

Personally I don't see this ever happening, the Desire brand was and is built on being a (M/F) couples only resort. That part of the brand formula has highly contributed it's success and differentiated it from the Hedos.

They sure need to do something with the Cabo location since it only average 25>30% occupancy unless there is a group or Desire week when they manage to get it up to 70% for that specific week.

It is pretty much an acknowledged industry fact that it is almost impossible to duplicate a unique resort formula - both Desire RM and Temptations Cancun consistently average 80+% - they have now tried both formats at the Cabo location with dismal results

Agree with everything you wrote.

We want the Desire back, but don't know that it would be profitable enough to last.

[us2933]

We'd love it to change to a Desire but we really wouldn't want singles allowed

[Cali_desire_cpl]

Coke,
The occupancy rates have really climbed since the beginning of the year. They are now averaging between 50 & 60%. I just think with Hedo 3 "closing", it could give Desire an "in" into that niche....adults only, clothing optional, lifestyle friendly, that allows singles.....Not that it is what we would prefer, I just think it would help with occupancy rates and and give people on the west coast and option instead of Desire RM or Hedo....then they could have "desire" weeks without singles....Just a thought. I know I would support a change back into a "desire" type of experience.

[Cokewithlime]

Originally Posted by Cali_desire_cpl

Coke,
The occupancy rates have really climbed since the beginning of the year. They are now averaging between 50 & 60%. I just think with Hedo 3 "closing", it could give Desire an "in" into that niche....adults only, clothing optional, lifestyle friendly, that allows singles.....Not that it is what we would prefer, I just think it would help with occupancy rates and and give people on the west coast and option instead of Desire RM or Hedo....then they could have "desire" weeks without singles....Just a thought. I know I would support a change back into a "desire" type of experience.

According to the numbers I looked at when I was in Cancun last week the Cabo Temptation location rolling average is around 30% - about the same as when it was Desire.

Believe me I want to see more c/o destinations not less !!

For those from the Hedo camp, many like the division of nude or prude and the greatest attraction for those on the nude side is the beach area and calm waters of Negril - the Cabo location will never attract customers that are looking for a beach experience - the water is too cold, too rough and you can't even be topless on the Cabo beaches.....

I do hope they come up with some new formula that can be a financial sustainable success - I think it would have to be more of a Temptations + than a Desire lite however.

[Mickey & Felixa]

I vote for bringing Desire back!!! WITH SINGLES!! Not sure what people have against singles. They are usually a blast and no more intrusive then the occassional obnoxious married guy. And besides, then I can go there when I don't have a date.

When Desire was about to close, almost all of us regulars swore off against ever returning (not us)... but that's a bit extreme too. Having to put on a bottom is not the end of the world. It seems like all the good-looking-fun-loving-California-crowd disappeared when it changed to Temptations.

However, it's Mexico, and although the service is great there, I've never gotten the idea in any Mexican resort than management/ownership really gives a crap about what the people want. Then again, you can't please all of the people all the time anyway.

I'll keep my fingers crossed. Temptation Cancun for this weekend however - haven't been there in a year!

[Mickey & Felixa]

We went to Temptation Cancun 2 weekends ago and talked to Chinos about this. He confirmed that yes, they/management are "thinking about it" but it could go either way. Keeping my fingers crossed!

[litebeam]

Originally Posted by Mickey & Felixa

We went to Temptation Cancun 2 weekends ago and talked to Chinos about this. He confirmed that yes, they/management are "thinking about it" but it could go either way. Keeping my fingers crossed!

Thanks for the update, F&M.

We're getting ready to book a Cabo Desire week trip for Sept. Hopefully if there is a lot of interest and attendance that week the management will bust that move...

[glenn/monique]

Wouln't call the tarps that we saw there as structures...........and hey the guys on the cranes had an excellent view while we were there. I don't see it happening.

[Georgia Couple]

Maybe a Desire down in the Fla keys would work. Liberal minds, nice beaches, maybe not quite as sunny as Cancun but still plenty of sun. Wish I had a couple of mil, I'd open it.

[B&C]

We have been to TTR cancun once. We are going to Cabo on October 29th to Nov 5th, 2010.

I think the flight prices are too high for a lot of people coming from the east coast like us. From BWI it is $1,200 about for a couple. We found a deal out of regan for $800. We paid $400 for us to goto cacun in April 2010.

We both loved TTR cancun, and we hope cabo is even better.

Brian

[beachgurl75]

Originally Posted by B&C

We have been to TTR cancun once. We are going to Cabo on October 29th to Nov 5th, 2010.

I think the flight prices are too high for a lot of people coming from the east coast like us. From BWI it is $1,200 about for a couple. We found a deal out of regan for $800. We paid $400 for us to goto cacun in April 2010.

We both loved TTR cancun, and we hope cabo is even better.

Brian

We got ridiculously cheap flights from Albany, NY last summer to Cabo for only $280 plus taxes, fees, etc. We booked our August trip sometime last May I think. I have no idea why the prices were so cheap, especially out of Albany, considering Albany is not a major hub for airlines. So I think cheap flights are certainly possible. We looked at prices to Cabo again this summer and they were only around $400 on sites such as travelocity.com.

Anyway, not much to do with the original thread I suppose, but TTR Cabo was definitely a nice trip. Never tried Hedo or Desire so I can't say much, but TTR Cabo is definitely very mild and tame. We're about to go to TTR Cancun, and from what I hear, TTR Cancun is more of a party place than TTR Cabo.

[litebeam]

Talked to a very reputable source yesterday that does a lot of booking for the hotel and he said that the resort is still looking at all options.

They need at least 65% occupancy--consistently--to make a full-time Desire worth their while.
Apparently the last Desire week earlier in the year was a success with 85% occupancy.

Obviously rates would increase like they will be for the upcoming Desire Week (the Temptation resort has been a downright bargain for those who shop around for cheap rates) but the quality--drinks, food, increase in staff etc--would all improve for the Desire gig.
Those who frequented Desire in the past know that the quality has fallen off tremendously with the Temptation branding. Still fun? Absolutely, especially for the money, but certainly not the same.

One of the possibilities being floated is the chance that the resort would adopt a "Desire" format June through October or something along that line.

Again, much is predicated on the numbers...

[FloridaFun]

Originally Posted by B&C

We have been to TTR cancun once. We are going to Cabo on October 29th to Nov 5th, 2010.

I think the flight prices are too high for a lot of people coming from the east coast like us. From BWI it is $1,200 about for a couple. We found a deal out of regan for $800. We paid $400 for us to goto cacun in April 2010.

We both loved TTR cancun, and we hope cabo is even better.

Brian

Yes, flights from Miami (connecting in MX City or Houston) start at $550 each..i've seen less but with an overnight layover in MX City ughhh! Cancun is so much cheaper, we get deals out of Ft Laud for $150 each direct rt sometimes...even less if we use our Spirit miles...But we really want to go to Cabo so will hold out for sales in 2011.

[litebeam]

Originally Posted by FloridaFun

Yes, flights from Miami (connecting in MX City or Houston) start at $550 each..i've seen less but with an overnight layover in MX City ughhh! Cancun is so much cheaper, we get deals out of Ft Laud for $150 each direct rt sometimes...even less if we use our Spirit miles...But we really want to go to Cabo so will hold out for sales in 2011.

Ummm...
These flight postings look like thoughts for a different thread?....

[B&C]

The flight price posting has a lot to do with temptqation changing back to desire. Desire is a lot more money than TTR. So desire brings in a higher paying customer.
Cost is not a big issue to us. In 2011 we are trying desire cancun. In Oct 2010 we try TTR cabo or Desire cabo whatever it is, we will be there!!

[litebeam]

Back on topic.....

We received this emailed info from Right Connections Travel that pretty much spells out what most suspected concerning Desire and its return...

[We need your support here! Many couples have called and requested the return of the Desire Resort concept in Los Cabos. Couples miss this special clothing-optional and liberated vacation environment just two hours from Southern California and Arizona. There is plenty of relaxation, socializing, pool games, drinking, meeting new friends and partying with old friends. In many cases, taking an exotic trip to Desire requires less time than driving to Las Vegas! Because of the many requests, Original Resorts is considering changing the Temptations Resort in Los Cabos back to the Desire Resort & Spa concept. But to make a huge change like that, management needs to assured they have the support of the couples, and we can keep the resort occupied. We need to convince management there IS enough couples in the Southwest, and more couples from all over the US that are willing to support this resort. We need these clothing-optional resorts with liberal sexually-charged environments for choices in our adult vacation destinations.
Please make your reservation now for the September 1-6, 2010 DESIRE CABOS Take-Over event and help us keep this resort. The take-over party we had the first week of May was great fun and over 80% occupied. Everyone had a great time. The rules were Desire-Rules, clothing-optional, great food, great drinks, roof-top Jacuzzi action and special events and entertainment. There are no issues with the Barcello Resort next door, as the rooms of their 'Adult Wing' face the ocean and not our resort. We have also covered the Rooftop Jacuzzi from the Barcello side for maximum privacy.
Come join us for FUN-IN-THE-SUN at Desire Week in Cabo San Lucas.]

Yeah, they're workin' it sales-wise, but it does seem that it's up to us, the customer, to bring back a full-time Desire.

[doxiegirl]

It gets so frustrating seeing so many couples preferring couples/lifestyle places. C'mon I have said this before and I will say it again, there AREN'T enough places for singles now that are fun like Temptation and there are sooo many adult only couples places...Sandals, Desire to name a few. Hedo 3 is closing and now possibly Temptation in Cabo, what do solo travellers have left?

Having been to both TTR Cabo and Cancun, they had enough fun for everyone as it was and Cabo specifically was a nice west coast place for the solo traveller as an option. How would couples feel if there were super fun resorts that didn't allow them and singles only? Wouldn't you feel a bit slighted?

Club Med has already become predominantly families and now the swingers don't want the singles....give us a break!

I think the swinger/lifestyle group have more selection of their type of resorts than singles who want a party atmosphere.

I think I may have more staycations if this trend continues.

[diamondheaded]

Originally Posted by doxiegirl

It gets so frustrating seeing so many couples preferring couples/lifestyle places. C'mon I have said this before and I will say it again, there AREN'T enough places for singles now that are fun like Temptation and there are sooo many adult only couples places...Sandals, Desire to name a few. Hedo 3 is closing and now possibly Temptation in Cabo, what do solo travellers have left?

Having been to both TTR Cabo and Cancun, they had enough fun for everyone as it was and Cabo specifically was a nice west coast place for the solo traveller as an option. How would couples feel if there were super fun resorts that didn't allow them and singles only? Wouldn't you feel a bit slighted?

Club Med has already become predominantly families and now the swingers don't want the singles....give us a break!

I think the swinger/lifestyle group have more selection of their type of resorts than singles who want a party atmosphere.

I think I may have more staycations if this trend continues.

you know i agree with you completely!

some of our best friends are singles and in fact many of them are planning on going with us to cabos in april of next year and would be thoroughly pissed if they were not able to come because of this stupid lifestyle singles discrimination phenomenon

what is the big issue with single guys or single girls? do lifestlye people feel better than them? are lifestyle couples so insecure with their relationship that they would be threatened by a single?

ooooooooh there is a single guy and he might want to look at you or ooooooooooooooh there is a gay guy and he might want to give you a bj

i mean really?

just seems rather bizzare that a sexaully liberal non judgemental lifestyle person would freak about this and run home to mommy crying about it

its f'n childish

actually you would think the exact opposite...........that they too would be open minded and non judgemental (as they want people to be towards them) but it appears to be quite the opposite and this is truly sad

t and i have never been to a "swinger" bar...............or if it is more politically correct to call it a lifestyle bar ----------- then a "Lifestyle" bar (if that helps people feel better)

although

we are considering going to iniquity here in dallas for our annual halloween weekend party

what will be the deciding factor as to whether or not we go there?

they will have to allow us to bring not only thirty couples but a handful of single guys and a handful of single girls

if they dont fuck em - we can take our money to aplace that does not discriminate and spend it well there!!!

i just hope that one day the stereotype/biggot mentality concerning single people will be brought to an end - while we have come a million miles with race and sexuality discrimination - we gots a long way to go with single discrimination...............a very long way indeed



so if they want to call it desire or hedo or temptation or blow me or whatever

we dont give a rats ass

but enough with the discrimination

it aint ever been pretty -----------and it aint pretty now

rob/t

[litebeam]

Wow, what a rant. Go elsewhere then!
Who needs attitude like that around anyway.
Yuck!

Fact is that many of us don't mind the singles concept at all! We went to Temptations in Feb and the singles that were there were classy and a total blast. We partied with them for ten days.
We simply want a LS-friendly au-natural location on the west coast.

As far as the couples-only reasoning, there is one full-time lifestyle "couples" option right now that is practically accessible: Cancun Desire. That is it. We live near Seattle so it is a major (read: layover) pain.

As most know, Hedonism allows singles and it is to the point now that there are Russian and European travel agencies promoting packages to large, single-men groups that are all but ruining the experience for others. These guys are promised that they will score with American, Canadian, etc. women and couples with endless nights of sex. What a bunch of crap.
We've been there and have seen it. 98% of the couples there are disgusted with these guys who presume to stare, grope and even masturbate in the presence of others. Totally gross.
Would a Cabo Desire become like that? We think not. Hopefully not anyway.
But some of us just want a couples option on the West Coast. It has nothing to do with "discrimination."

[diamondheaded]

Originally Posted by litebeam

But some just want a couple option on the West Coast. It has nothing to do with "discrimination."

i hear ya man

and i do understand completely

you see

my mom and dad wanted me to do that all white "option" when it came to going to school - of course we all know that had absolutely nothing to do with discrimination at all did it?

i think maybe my parents had ill feelings about african american people - maybe they lumped all of them into a group and said "this is the way all african american people are so therefore we dont want them around"

not unlike most (i think the number 98% was a number given earlier) swinger couples do with "swingle" people

sorry about the rant - my bad

i get it now

the best

rob

[rlin2050]

I agree that Desires should stay couples only. I believe the primary reason is to avoid the sausage fest problem. We have thought about going to a clothing optional in the future but I would not want to go where a large group of single dudes would be. The singles at Temptations are respectful but some ruin it. Usually the single guys bring with them fights, power drinking, inappropriate touching and voyuer cameras. It is a shame the few can ruin for the many.