Mexican Immigration Changes Coming

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  1. RiverGirl

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    TJ - It makes sense that FM2/3 holders will still have to go to the Alfa office (the Salidas office we all go to when we leave) to get scanned. Part of the reason you go to that office now is so that INM can record your exit in the computer (after you walk away they enter your data), it's not just to get the red form.

    And NO the airlines will not be able to do this, never, never. Currently I don't think the Alfa offices actually have the scanners in them, so they will need to install those.

    The FMM and FMT are NOT VISAS they are permits!

    Lots and lots of web sites are reporting that FMM holders will not be allowed more than 180 days in the country out of a 365 day period BUT THIS IS NOT VERIFIED!!!!! There has been no official statement issued about this, agents have been told nothing.

    Under current law business visitors are allowed 30 day stints in country up to a total of 180 days out of 365. They are doing away with this. I believe that some of the sites reporting that FMM holders won't have more than 6 months in country are confusing what's being done away with with changes that are coming. All it would take is one author to mix this up, due to poor Spanish, and web site authors across Mexico would be spreading an ugly rumor. And that's exactly what I think is going on here. I think that one person got this mixed up and it's spreading.

    Importantly, it doesn't make sense that they would change the rules this way because it goes against the way the law is written. Remember the new changes do not reflect a change in immigration law in Mexico, only a change in policy, only a change in how the law is applied.

    The reason my initial post did not mention the rumors about FMM holders only being allowed 6 months out of a year in country is because this has not been substantiated. Let's not scare anyone until we know for sure what's going on with this. Again, it doesn't make sense for them to change this because of the way the actual law is written. We will see soon enough if they are changing this, but at this point it does not look as though they are.
     
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    Got it, I was referring to her applying for a Mexican Tourist Visa, at a Mexican Consulate, abroad.

    Has the text of this new law not been published on this forum? I saw it, somewhere, and resolved to read it a little nearer the time it went into effect, which is now upon us!
     
  3. RiverGirl

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    Tori - Under the old rules you could have been barred from entering Mexico when you told them you were coming to study Spanish. Technically you needed a permit to study to do that.

    Under the new rules you will be allowed to study at certain schools without a permit, this is to make it easier for tourists to come and study Spanish. You cannot come here and go to university without a permit allowing study, but under the new rules you can come in on an FMM to study Spanish.

    INM agents are trained at lie detection. The agent knew you were lying, and he was nice to let you in anyway.

    You will be better off telling the truth, so long as the truth is that you are coming to visit your Mexican boyfriend, you will be here for a few weeks, you are planning to get married soon and will be getting an FM2/3 as soon as you can. The male agents have a soft spot for a gringa who is willing to put up with a Mexican man, so play that in your favor.

    I wouldn't use that story with a female agent though...might want to stick to the Spanish school story if you get a female agent, haha.
     
  4. RiverGirl

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    Tori is a US Citizen, she doesn't need a VISA to enter Mexico...and she won't get one if she applies for one.

    The law isn't new, just the regulations for how to apply it. They are calling it the Manual. The old version of the Manual, from 2000, is published as a PDF on the INM web site. Hopefully they will post the new version soon, but as of last night it wasn't up yet.
     
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    LOL...thanks RG. Do you need a student permit to study at one of the non University schools? They have 4 week classes and figured anyone can go to them.
    At the time, I didn't know that US Citizens were given 180 days and figured I could only get 60 to 30. Oh well, I am here, and hopefully I don't need to make up any stories come July...which leads me to this question. And I am sure I can search the archive, but I really don't feel like re reading the billion posts....
    Say I get a job, and the FM3 paperwork gets started..I won't have my FMT anymore as I have to turn it over...how do I go about leaving in June without it?
     
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    RG, isn't this what you're referring to? I first noticed it online on April 11, but deferred having a look at it, until now.

    [Link deleted]

    Unfortunately, the link I provided does not seem to work, and sometimes pulls up a much shorter, useless document. The document I found, very lengthy, and almost surely the one you're referring to, is dated January 29, 2010, was published in the "Diario Official de la Federacion" and is titled, "El Manual de Criterios y Tramites Migratorios".

    I could paste it here, but Steve would probably kill me. With these extra details, you'll almost surely be able to find it.
     
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    Thanks for the info Rivergirl! I am supposed to be getting my renewed FM3 back in another week or so, hope I just missed the changes.

    And I think that whole interview thing is rediculous. I´m guessing it will cause a lot more chaos than good.
     
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    Thanks for all the info again RG. I was considering trying to do the paperwork without Mauricio this year, but I have changed my mind, Mauricio can deal with the chaos again, haha. My FM2 expires May 20th so now is the time to do it and from what I am reading, now is the time where things are likely to be all screwy. Save me the headache, the $$ will be worth it. :)
     
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    OK, I tried what I suggested to Rivergirl, and it works. Anyone who'd like to see the rules she's referring to can do a websearch for "diario oficial de la federacion"; then, in the search function of the website, type in "criterios migratories" and you'll have it.

    V.
     
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    This happened when my husband and I were in the process of FM3 renewals and he had to return to the States on business before the process was complete.

    Luckily Mauricio was handling things as it was necessary for my husband to get a letter from Immigration, there was a cost for the letter but I can't remember how much, allowing him to depart and re-enter without his FM3. Hope this helps.
     
  11. RiverGirl

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    You do not need a permit to study at certain types of schools under the new rules (mainly little schools, like language schools). You did under the old rules.

    If you need to leave Mexico while your paperwork is in process then you must go to the INM office in centro before your trip and get a letter that gives you permission to leave and reenter Mexico. Without that letter you cannot leave.

    It's going to be ridiculous to interview 20,000 tourists a day who are just going to say "I'm here for the boobs and the beer" or whatever tourists are going to say.

    On the other hand it is absolutely reasonable for Mexico to want to interview people who enter. Do you think foreigners entering Canada, or the US or England or any other country in the world can get in without being asked questions? Of course not! And they shouldn't. Mexico should interview people entering the country, but in the case of tourists it needs to be a pretty streamlined interview so they can keep them moving.

    CancunCanuck - I would advise using Mauricio this time, your renewal date is too close to the predicted chaos period.

    V - Following your directions got me no results. The old document is here: http://www.inm.gob.mx/marcojuridico/circular1/CIRCULAR_Manual_Tramites_Migratorios.pdf I cannot find that the new manual is up yet.
     
  12. Life_N_Cancun

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    I expect the "interview" will consist of;

    Agent: Vacation?
    Tourist: Yes!

    As anything else would create problems as RiverGirl mentioned.. unless they intend to triple the airport staff. Seems to me even in the US, the standard "interview" (for persons from countries that don't require special visas) are kept very short, and only those people who get the agent's attention go for a more thorough Q&A session. I do think the cards are a good upgrade from the 17th century style booklets they have now. They don't look machine readable from the pics that RG posted, so I guess manual entering of data will still clog things up, unless the final cards will have bar-codes, chips, or magnetic strips in/on them. I wonder if the old inmigrado card will get a facelift too... or will all fm2s get the same card with varying expire dates? In any event as with all changes in Mexico time will tell which of them stick and which are simply ignored.
     
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    I think you are right. Agents can already spot someone from 10 feet away who is holding a fake passport, so they certainly can tell if someone is a tourist before the person opens their mouth. The interviews will just be a quick formality.

    I'm certain that the new FM2/3 cards will be machine readable somehow. INM has the scanners already, they just need the cards to scan. They are not stupid enough to keep relying on people hand-entering data. INM is dumb sometimes, but not that dumb.

    I was able to ask a regional boss in INM about the rumor that FMM holders will only be allowed to stay in Mexico for 180 days out of a year. Here was the official response to that question:
     
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    Mole,

    I seem to always travel abroad while my FM3 is in the hands of INM and have to get that letter. I pay $500 for the fee to INM and my lawyer. Not sure who makes what nor do I care. All I know is that it is near zero hassle for me.
     
  15. RiverGirl

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    I'm pretty sure the letter is free, I think that money goes to the lawyer. I'm not 100% sure on this, I've never needed the letter.
     
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    Text of new immigration rules

    OK, RG, here's what you do.

    Go to dof.gob.mx; then, in "buscar en el sitio",
    type, "criterios migratorios"; then,
    click on "Acuerdo por el que se expide el Manual de Criterios y Trámites Migratorios del Instituto Nacional de Migración"

    This is dated January 29, 2010, and I think it's what you've been refering to: it certainly seems so to me.

    I would paste it, but it's a long document, and Steve has indicated he doesn't like long paste jobs, here.

    Enjoy.
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    By the way, I know how much effort it takes to dig out details like you're doing, and I appreciate it, too. This document should help you along your way.

    I think, when we understand this all more fully, that we'll see that at least some of the changes are not merely cosmetic, like getting a plastic card, instead of a booklet. It appears to me there may be a chance they are trying to harmonize the tax law, with the immigration law: we'll see.
     
  17. RiverGirl

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    All those instructions and no link?

    Our friend from Alma Libre bookstore forwarded me the link that I could not find. Here is the link to the new version of the manual:
    DOF - Diario Oficial de la Federación
     
  18. V

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    Read it, and you'll find it's the same one I referred you to.

    What have you been relying on, up to now, for the details you've provided?

    There are perhaps no errors in anything you've posted, but it would have been better to have the rules in front of you, just to verify the info.

    One of the good things about a forum is, if something erroneous does show up, someone is bound to point it out.

    I have no suggestions to offer on anything you've posted on this subject, to this point, and I'm glad someone is taking the trouble to try to put it all down in one spot for us.
     
  19. RiverGirl

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    I get that you'd found it already, it's just that your instructions for how to find it didn't produce it. Rob sent me the link.

    I've been relying on information conveyed to INM agents directly via training sessions. It's very good to finally see the document that goes behind that training.

    And it is absolutely nuts that no one in INM has provided that link to agents by now. The link Rob sent is now finding its way though cyberspace to local INM agents. Thank you to a Canadian for helping INM train its agents.
     
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    Given that it could have been printed off the internet, at anytime since January, it's surprising that it hasn't been.