Mexican Immigration Changes Coming

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  1. kathy_caribe

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  2. RiverGirl

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    Kathy - The link in there just goes to the root of the INM site. I messed around in Tramites section I did see that you can do some requests online but not too many. What request did you make? Can you provide a more specific url?
     
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    Websearch

    RG, you can get there by going to search, within the website, and typing in, "solicitudes de tramites". Looks to me like it's all there.
     
  4. kathy_caribe

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    Sorry - they all open in separate windows.

    I started at that site, then selected from the little pop up, this link
    Instituto Nacional de Migración
    Then I went to Instituto Nacional de Migración from the top right hand column - the very first selection under "Temas de Interes"
    which gets you to Instituto Nacional de Migración
    From there you can download a PDF or select "conocer los requisitos...." which gets you to Instituto Nacional de Migración

    From there, I selected "EEUU", then "vivir en Mexico", then "de manera permanente", then "rentista", then the last option (I'm in MExico with a current form and I want to amplify it). On the page that last option brings up, under "Requisitos", I click on FORMATO DE ESTANCIA which opens this page http://setram.inami.gob.mx:8080/solicitudes-web/estancia.html in a new window. Once I fill that form out, I get a number and an option to print. Selecting the option to print will bring up the document in Adobe which you can then either save or print or, I guess, whatever. :)

    I guess I'll find out on Monday if I've selected everything correctly or not - who knows; maybe I've just filled out a form to marry the president. :)
     
  5. heatandsun

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    Here's my experience from last night

    I left Mexico on April 28, using the old red form with my FM3. When I came in last night, they said the red form was worthless, and tore it up in front of me. I filled out an FMM, which they took (and did not give me the 'other' half). They stamped my FM3 book and said this would be the last stamp, and I have only 30 days to replace my book. I said I thought the book could be used until it expires, in December. They said No, I have to replace it now, and I have 30 days to do so. I am leaving again in a month, and they said that I might have the new card by then, but there are lots of people going to the office.

    So, I guess I will be contacting Mauricio to see if I was given wrong information, or what I do so I can leave in a month and not have problems. Seems they should have let the books stay in use until expiry to prevent a rush on demand, but unless I hear otherwise, those wishing to travel seem to need the new card regardless of the date on the FM3 book.
     
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    Exiting while FM3 "in process"

    I have a personal interest in how this turns out, as my wife will return from abroad in less than three weeks; then, will leave Mexico, again, three weeks later. Under prior procedures, this was not particularly a problem in that INM would give you an exit/entry permit (letter) you could use for a single trip while your FM3 was being processed.

    In any case, if it turns out to be true that it will be necessary to renew- immediately upon her return- she, and others, must be prepared with the evidence needed for renewal, when they get back, and before they go to INM to renew: that may mean such things as gathering bank statements before returning to Mexico, for some people.
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    [I sure hope it turns out not to be true, what Heat was told, and that our booklets will continue to have validity until the expiry date: otherwise, those poor people at INM are just going to be dying.]
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  7. RiverGirl

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    NOT TRUE! Check with Mauricio anyway and then come back and tell us what he says.

    But I know the answer is that the agent didn't read the memo (the one I wasn't supposed to read, the one I have sitting here on the table in front of me). I've stated over and over in this thread that INM has not trained the agents in the new changes.

    There were a couple of training sessions two weeks ago and very few of the agents who work at the airport showed up for those sessions, the attendance rate among INM agents working at the airport was about 10% (to their credit the training sessions were on their days off and they did not get paid to attend them). So 90% of the agents working at the airport did not get the training. Lack of training is the problem here, that INM agent did not have his/her facts straight.

    That agent was probably also tired and grumpy and wanted to make you jump. The new forms, new software and new rules are making it take 3 times longer to process each passenger than under the old system (yes, it really is 3 times longer, they are timing it). And there's nowhere near enough staff in INM at the airport. They have something like 2 people quitting every day there right now.

    My pal in INM has asked your specific question of the INM bosses and the answer is that if your FM2/3 was issued prior to April 30, 2010 then it will be good until the expiration date in it. That is also what it says in the memo issued to all agents by INM.

    Here's the Spanish from the memo, in case you don't believe my translation:
    Please check with Mauricio and report back, but I am confident that your FM3 is valid until the expiration date listed in it.
     
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    That language you quoted us, RG, sure looks clear enough to me. Thanks.

    V.
     
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    Mauricio is checking

    I believe what RG is saying but there was nothing I could do last night to challenge them other than to say that I was under the impression my book would be used until it expires and both agents standing there said I was wrong. They were actually very friendly, no problems there.

    And I noticed that they have gone back to just stamping the papers and not asking any questions of the tourists - there was no lineup and I was the last to finish up because of the FM3 issue.

    I will post what Mauricio finds out today, he thinks they are wrong too but is going to check it out.

    PS. I'm wondering if the book is only valid until expiry OR until the holder travels outside Mexico - not sure there is anything specific about that. Will see what Mauricio comes up with.

    Sue
     
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    There's no need to confront them on this, it won't change anything. They will figure out the rules eventually, after a few conflicts with immigrants like you. Did you happen to notice the names of either of the agents (please pm me if you did)?
     
  11. Mellow_in_Puerto Morelos

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    I see that the online renewal form has a space for your CURP number. So is it going to be a requirement to have one before applying? Kathy, did you have one on your submission?
     
  12. kathy_caribe

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    I was told (basically) the same thing yesterday. I did get my FM3 stamped but she said I had to get it replaced immediately. she also did not give me the other side of the FMM form. I thought we were supposed to get it back (just like the tourists) but she said no. She said that when I leave again, I'll fill out new paperwork (like the red form). I still don't know if that is correct or not.

    At any rate, I'll be off to INM on Monday to see whats what with the FM3s and hope I didn't need the other side of the FMM form.

    Oh, and there was absolutely NO interview at all and the wait was really short - like under an hour (plane landed at 1520 and I was outside (after getting the red light with a bike, 2 checked bags, 1 carryon and a laptop) by 1650.
     
  13. kathy_caribe

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    I don't know if it is a requirement or not. I happened to have my CURP on me so i did put that on th eform.
     
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    Doesn't look like you will: that's one of the things that's mentioned in the video.
     
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    Oh good. I was pretty fried by that point and wasn't sure which end was up. :) And since I expected a 2 hour wait in INM, I waited outside another 40 min for my famdamily. But dayum, Skippy. It sho nuff is GRRRRRREAT to be home again.
     
  16. RiverGirl

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    Grrrrr! Thanks for reporting back. And I'm glad your line was short. Fewer and fewer flights are landing right now, so the slowdown in flights is cutting back on the wait times.

    I guess we shall see what happens when people start heading to INM about this and begin to report back. But it's crazy and stupid that they would make us go get the cards now AND it goes against what their own memo says and what the bosses are saying.

    I'm thinking I should scan and post this memo so all of you can carry it around and point to it when an INM agent gives you crap.

    INM is so ridiculous.

    The new stamps that INM issued to agents last Saturday (May 1) are rated for 8000 stamps. Some of them are already breaking. Agents regularly document 1000 passengers a day. For each passenger they must stamp 3 times (on the passport or FM2/3 and twice on the FMM), so they will often use that stamp 3000 times per shift. Buying stamps rated for 8000 stamps was, um, stupid.

    As my husband says, too often, "they are a bunch of wankers."
     
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    Hot as can be, right now, but everything looks really green and beautiful, doesn't it, in this amazing Caribbean sunlight! Nothing quite like it, is there.
    Tsk, tsk, RG, now where is he getting these English lessons? Not from you, I'm sure. He been attendin' some of the boys rugby matches?
     
  18. Life_N_Cancun

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    May be a pointless question.. but...

    What was wrong with the old stamps? Too big for the new forms or something?

    Glad to hear the lines are easing up, hopefully when my mom arrives she'll get through there without too much drama...
     
  19. RiverGirl

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    He's always had lots of low class Brit friends, he attracts them like flies.

    Yeah, that logical thinking never gets you or me anywhere, why can't we learn??

    I think the new stamps have some kind of high security expensive ink (they are multi-colored), and the shape they stamp is more square, while the old ones were a wider rectangle. I think the stamps were designed to fit the spot for them on the FMM. Recall that the old FMT didn't have a specific place you had to stamp. But the new FMM forces the agent to slow down and actually AIM where they put that stamp.

    One thing about the new squarer stamps is that you cannot fit too many on a page in your FM2/3, while you could get 8 or 10 of the old stamps on a single page. The agent is required to place the stamp in a clean area where it can be read later if need be. They make a huge deal out of the stamps, each is unique and is assigned to a specific agent. Anyway our FM2/3 booklets will fill up with stamps really fast with these new stamps, so we will be wanting to switch to the new cards.

    What day of the week is your mom coming? If it's a weekend afternoon there will be a wait, almost guaranteed. If it's midweek and between 2 pm and 7 pm there might be a wait. If it's mid-week and earlier or later she probably won't have a wait.
     
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    She's coming on a Friday.. not sure what time yet.... I guess there doesn't need to be a need or reason to change things. I honestly don't get what the big deal about a stamp or "special ink" is in this day an age where everything is tracked by computers anyway. I don't think the forging of Mexican stamps is a big industry... especially when its so easy in Mexico to just have an official "help you out" :biggrinbandit: with such things... on the other hand.. that 8000 use stamp "problem" may be all part of the "deal" that supplier made with whoever does the appropriations for these things, as is often the case in Mexico. Sort of like how they pave the roads with a centimeter of asphalt so they can get hired to do it again in 6 months... and everyone involved goes home happy... :icon_rolleyes: the Mexican twist on "planned obsolescence" :D