Ricky Williams Retires

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Do you think Ricky Williams is an idiot?

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  1. Watson

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    Like most of you know, I was away from the news this weekend in northern Ontario but being a HUGE NFL FAN, I just about fell off my chair this morning to find out Ricky had thrown in the towel.
    Now...being a HUGE BILLS FAN, I couldn't be happier but after reading the reasons for this guy leaving Miami, I thought - Has Ricky been reading our threads on legalizing marijauna? Apparently Mr. Williams wants to smoke some weed while hanging out in tin shacks in Jamaica. He walks away from 3.75 mil for this year and more over the next two plus incentives.
    Just goes to show ya - DON'T MAKE IMPORTANT DECISIONS WHILE IN THE PURPLE HAZE!
     
  2. Michael F.

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    I don't think he's an idiot. I do think he needs help (AKA counselling).

    He's been diagnosed for some kind of shyness disorder, causing him to do some interviews wearing his helmet, and generally keeping to himself. Once he graduated from UT-Austin, it seemed obvious to me he didn't fit in with the NFL "world" and was aloof from everything. Even when he rushed for over 1800 yards...he didn't "feel" like an NFL player. I can't explain it.

    Anyways, somehow it seems more appropriate that he is no longer a part of the league...even his sudden retirement kinda follows what I thought of his nature. He just isn't right for the pro's. I wish he coulda figured that out sooner and stayed in school to get a degree rather than jerk around New Orleans' and Miami's chains. But that's just the nature of the man. :roll:
     
  3. Jamie

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    Maybe I should change my vote. Maybe he's not an idiot, just there to take the money and run. Got his $10 Million and got out while he can still walk..... Just kind of jerked the Dolphins around in the process.

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  4. lowrider86

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    being a die hard dolphin fan, i think he is a #$%%^&&**( jerk! but i do agree with you jamie, he can still walk, that does mean alot
     
  5. Watson

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    Michael - I know about the social anxiety disorder he was diagnosed with shortly before leaving New Orleans but he has been on medication to handle this and watching interviews with him since, I'd say he's pretty much in control of that. And you're right. He should have gotten a degree before entering the pros. Robert Smith of the Vikings retired at the ripe old age of 28 but he's a lawyer. He has something to go to. Ricky seems to have problems with people telling him what he can and cannot do. He has a problem with the NFL telling him he can't smoke marijauna.
    To Jamie and Lowrider's points, it is important to be able to live your life healthy after retiring from any job but Ricky was not injured often. I remember a little time off in NO for an ankle but nothing in Miami.
    Bottom line, he walked out on his team. He walked out on an organization that not only paid him big money, paid NO big money and draft picks to get him. Ricky did contribute though and in my opinion carried that team. Sorry Lowrider but they don't have a snowball's chance in hell now. The defence is hurt and the offense just isn't strong enough. Couldn't make the playoffs with Ricky who rushed for over 3,000 yards in 2 years so they don't have a hope now. But who knows, and it's the reason I love the NFL, these guys might say "Screw you Ricky. We'll do it without you." I've seen that. Look at Carolina rally together for their teammates diagnosed with cancer last year. They went to the Super Bowl.
    Ricky says he only has to answer to his children now but the reality is, whether you're in the NFL or just some nobody on the street, you always have someone to answer to.
    Michael - he should have figured this out earlier. Again, you're right.
     
  6. NormsKid

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    Some of you old timers will remember when this happened:

    "In a 1978 pre-season football game, Oakland cornerback Jack Tatum tackled New England Patriots wide receiver Darryl Stingley so hard that Stingley was rendered an instant quadriplegic. The NFL decided it was legal, and while Stingley went home in a wheelchair, Tatum -- whose nickname was "The Assassin" -- continued his career without interference from attorneys."

    Darryl Stingley is a distant cousin of mine....after that hit, he never took a step again! It only takes one hit to knock someones block off.....

    There is more to life than money and he's (Williams) proly made more than most people who post here so who's calling who names? Dunno that it's quite fair to judge folks by a standard that we ourselves don't even meet.

    As was previously mentioned, the guy needs professional help. If he's not happy playing football right now, perhaps now he can get the help he needs. Perhaps his REAL friends will step up to the plate now and provide some support and guidance rather than throwing rocks at him cause they think he just threw his life away.

    Having a college degree is nice, but it's not a guarantee of anything. There are plenty of well to do folks out there without college degrees. Practically every tradesman that I know makes more than I do and NONE of them have college degrees!

    Maybe this is his cry for help.....who knows....but nobody in this world is perfect and we've all made big mistakes in our lives, haven't we? So why must we persecute this guy for his decisions?

    That baffles me.....

    Michelle
     
  7. Jamie

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    I don't know Michelle.. there a cry for help and there's shoving a finger in everyone's face.

    Before you say it, yeah we don't know all the facts... that's true. But when has that ever stopped anybody from expressing their opinion?

    What we do know is that football players make more money than most that post here, as you said. Yes they take chances every time they step out on the field, but so to a lot of other people, like firefighters, for a whole lot less money.

    So excuse me if a football player exits college early from a full boat scholarship to grab millions from the NFL only to, a week into training camp, say I don't want to play anymore so I'm taking my ball and going home. Leaving his team and teammates high and dry and saying “up yours” to the fans that pay the high ticket prices so he could have those millions.

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  8. Watson

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    To refute some of your points and to add some more information...
    In 1978, football was football. Those guys got pounded, the fields were not pristine, there were no domes to protect against the elements, probably not even heaters on the sidelines. The equipment had no where near the protection it offers today and the players were not paid the huge sums of money the skilled (quarterback, runningback, receivers etc.) are paid now. I don't have the hard facts but I don't think anyone back then, even the Johnny Unitis', made over a mil a year.
    As we all know, this is not the case now. But, like all professional sports the league has looked at the rules and is not only fining but ending careers of those players and teams who do not follow them. You cannot lead with your head when hitting someone. You cannot hit a reciever when he is off the ground. Is it everything? No. But is it progress. Yes. The same progress that is seeing NHL's Todd Bertuzzi (sp.) facing criminal charges for his sucker punch on Moore. Unfortunately, the two times, this one and McSorley hit in Vancouver, were on Canadian soil. Any hit like these done in the US are not questioned by authorities. Maybe your laws need to change. Maybe you need to say, "Hey. Just because it's wrapped up warm and fuzzy on a football field doesn't make it legal." It's a fine line to draw. Especially when the sport breeds violence.
    Football is a tough sport. I would assume that anyone, including your distant cousin, who gets to that level would understand the risks involved. I don't disagree with you. There are some serious infractions and sucker hits in football too but it's part of the game. The refs catch some things and like all sports, they miss some. On a side note, there are risks at every job and they don't come with 20 mil signing bonuses.
    There is more to life than money, but really, it's a nice perk. If Ricky Williams wanted to take time off to get some help, then he had 7 months to do it. The Dolphins' season ended the end of December '03. The team has already had mini camps and Ricky was there. Did he ever tell the team, when the possibility of picking up a free agent or drafting a rookie running back were options, that he was considering retirement? No. You may not like it but being at that level brings with it a certain amount of responsibility that you and I don't have. Thousands of fans pay good money buying tickets and merchandise for that team. I think if Ricky wanted to retire, fine, but he could have handled it A LOT better. He could have notified the team earlier or played one more season to give them time to work around it. What Ricky did was give no notice at a time when notice means EVERYTHING. Talk about NOT taking one for the team. Can you say selfish? Could you walk out on your boss and fellow employees, leave them hanging because you want to see the world? Want to smoke pot? He never once said that his "condition" was a reason for retirement.
    As for a college degree. Totally agree with you but at least the Miami fans could have handled that. He wanted to work in his chosen field. That's a reason to give up millions. Or like Pat Tillman, to serve his country. Smoking pot and answering to no one just doesn't cut it when you're that high a profile player. When you're anyone really. Another plus to your argument, no one's perfect. He's persecuted because he is that important to their offense and he didn't let down say, 50 family members, he let down an entire city.
    With talent and fame comes huge responsibility. The Ryan Leaf's of the world couldn't cut it. If Ricky couldn't, he should have told someone, say, 5 months ago.
    It doesn't baffle me.
     
  9. NormsKid

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    I'm not suggesting that folks stop expressing their opinions.....

    But must we label the guy an idiot? Perhaps everyone would be satisfied if you wake up tommorow and read that Ricky Williams just blew his brains out with a 357 magnum. Would his decision to retire make anyone feel better if that were to happen....I wonder? If he had done that, rather than retire, what would be the title of this poll then?

    That's the part that scares me about my fellow man......we are so quick to lynch/crusify folks without knowing any of the facts...an we often ignore the facts that we do have.

    I hope he gets the professional help he needs....in my opinion, that's the bigger issue in his life right now..not money and/or fear of going broke.

    So..my vote is NO, the dude is no idiot. He needs to get some professional help and get his life together....the same as I had to do at one point. I personally can't throw stones at the man.....

    But feel free to continue on with the pig roast...I'm sure others are finding this quite enjoyable.....

    Michelle
     
  10. Michael F.

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    Popcorn, anyone? *munches noisily*
    :D
     
  11. NormsKid

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    :anon:

    I'll have some....with a beer & a shot! Extra butter too!
     
  12. Watson

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    Here's a fact, an idiot is defined as:

    Websters -
    "an ignorant person-a person afflicted with idiocy-a feebleminded person having the mental age not exceeding three years and requiring complete custodial care-a silly or fooish person"

    Maybe to put this spin on it, Ricky isn't an idiot. Idiot's don't have responsibilities.
    Here's another fact. He didn't retire to get HELP. You are assuming something that is not the case. Where is the relevance in your argument? The drama of him blowing his brains out may be a good court tactic but I'm not buying it. And if that did happen, no, it wouldn't make me happier.

    This is a quote from Ricky to the Miami Herold informing them of his retirement.

    He didn't quit due to social anxiety. He quit because there are simpler things in life. There's tin shacks and those people are happy. There is no league testing him regularly for drugs. He didn't want the money, the fame. Fine. Quit in January or don't even enter the draft. He could have retired 5 months ago or played another year then retired. Then he would have been a role model. All he's teaching children is that okay to walk away on those who are counting on you. Your happieness is more important than anyone else's. You can't do that at this level when you make a lot of money to play a sport that a lot of guys slugging it in college would love a shot at. You can't do what Ricky did and not expect some flack.
    Don't get me wrong Michelle. If I had his money I'd move to BBG permanently to hang out on the swings, but the reality is, it isn't an option. I have responsibilities and they number a hell of a lot fewer than Ricky's.
    Michael - I like butter on mine too!
     
  13. Michael F.

    Michael F. Moderator/1st CC Member Registered Member

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    I dunno. I would surmise that people living in tin shacks on a Carribean island don't normally live their lives under the spotlight with a microphone and camera thrust in your face every other day. Sounds more like he's when he says a "simpler life" he means a life away from the stress of being in the public eye all the time. Some athletes thrive in it. Others don't and get burned for not being more accessible. Ricky wants out of it entirely. As far as his "tin shack" analogy goes...we all know it was an analogy, right? He's been cruising the Pacific all this time, visiting Hawaii and Australia, etc. The simple life isn't his Desire. A life away from the circus is.

    He may be taking medication to control his disorder, but that doesn't necessarily change how it influenced his life and personality before then. Not everyone is able to break out from the mold they grew into when they were adolescents. Ricky stayed in football for as long as he could stand it. When the breaking point happens, is it ever at a convenient time for anyone? (Dolphins? Football fans?).

    His statement above affirms for me my own opinion that he was never cut out for pro football. He went in anyways, because that was expected of a Heisman Trophy winner and a dominant rusher and lasted only this long. If he ever comes out of retirement, tho, my opinion will change. You don't waffle on something like this. He's not Michael Jordan and won't be welcomed back with open arms if he changes his mind.
     
  14. Watson

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    I'm glad Ricky's stronger now to not play football. I wouldn't try and talk someone out of a decision like this. He seems relieved and I think that if this is what he wants, go for it but I would be a heck of a lot happier with his decision if it didn't ruin a lot of innocent people's lives and careers. The only person gaining from this is Travis Minor.
    Do you understand what this could do to his coach Dave Wannstedt? Surprises like this show incompetance. Wannstedt looks the fool. He's supposed to know what his players think and feel. What Ricky did came out of nowhere.
    I appreciate where everyone on this thread is coming from. I truely believe everyone should be happy. No one should feel uncomfortable about any aspect of their lives. We should all have freedom, guided but not controlled, as Ricky says. The reality is, the world just don't turn that way. And as I've said before, Ricky's world, to this point, especially doesn't turn that way.
     
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    Okay- here is my football-loving my dad coached and made his three daughters fotball freaks opinion:

    Ricky Williams is an idiot- but not for retiring. Hey if he doesn't want to do it anymore get out - there are plenty of other reasons as well. Now for the why- he is an idiot because he waited untill NOW to make this decision. He now leaves the dolphins high and dry. Had he come to this decision prior to the beginning of camp the dolphins could have found and replacement or at the very least used their draft pick to compensate.

    The facts are he failed a drug test twice- he would have been fined and had to sit (I think three) a few games for that. Instead he decided to retire. Why take the consequences of your actions (drugs) when you can just retire?

    Thus, why I think Ricky Williams is an idiot.
     
  16. Watson

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    Susie,

    :bow:

    My long-winded responses said the same thing. It's not the retiring, it's the timing. Period.

    P.S. He still has to pay the close to $650,000 in failed drug test fines if his appeal in unsuccessful. Cuts into the tin shack building fund never mind the purple haze purchases, don't ya think? :wink:
     
  17. Mikey

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    The only point I will give to this is that football has been watered down, back before the eighties (way to many rules now), people played because of the love of the game.

    In every job there are risks, at mine I can get eletricuted, the boiler could blow up, or I could get any number of transerable diseases (for those reading and don't know I work maintenence in a hospital).
     
  18. NormsKid

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    I'm not assuming anything.....I have NOT said he retired to get professional help. What I said was that the man NEEDS PROFESSIONAL HELP. And...I'm hoping that now his REAL friends can step up to the plate and attempt to help him get some help. Most folks who need help don't know it and stay in denial for years.

    I have no clue how someone reaching the edge and blowing their brains out has anything to do with court....so I can't respond to that at all. I don't know what your implying.

    As to why he quit....I've never said it had anything to do with social anxiety either. I don't even know if the dude can spell social anxiety! I haven't talked to him so I'm not gonna profess to know why he quit. I'm sure he knows and those who are closest to him know.

    As for what he's teaching children....the parents of whatever children you are referring to need to teach their own children. My parents certainly didn't have me idolizing Athletes and looking up to them for moral guidance or value teaching. Atheletes are athletes, not role models. If one just so happens to be a good role model then fine.....but simply cause someone is an athlete doesn't make them a role model or someone that a child should look up to.

    As far as happiness....I serve one God and ONLY one God. I do what I think would be pleasing in his eyes and I don't give a crap how unhappy that makes the rest of the world. I just hope that at some point, Ricky Williams can get to that same point in his life. When/if he does I think he will land on his feet and get his life together.

    Whatever sins he's committed, I forgive him and I pray for him. Vengence is NOT mine......

    So continue on with the stoning.....I'm off to get another beer & a shot....

    :brick:

    Michelle
     
  19. hkplayer

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    I am a fellow canadian and a hardcore nfl fan. ricky was my favourite player in the active league cuz i admired his character and his style of play. but now that hes gone, who the heck am i rooting for now? :(
    either way, my teams still are the rams, bucs, and dolphins - i hope one of them does well this year. i think the rams are the only ones looking after the off-season.

    on a separate but related note: do any forum members want to play in a fantasy football league? say, on yahoo's cuz its free? let me know :)
     
  20. Watson

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    I don't think it's any of our places to say the guy NEEDS PROFESSIONAL HELP when he's not even saying he needs it. I'm not a phycoligist, I'm a football fan.
    As for what your parents taught you I think that's wonderful but I also think it incredibly naive to think children don't emmulate athletes, or movie stars, or politicians. Anyone in the spotlight has that kind of attention and, in some cases unfortunately, that kind of power.
    Your comment about him blowing his brains out was dramatic, and I might add, completely irrelevant. Asking if we'd be happier if he blew his brains out was, in my opinion, nothing more than a ploy to make us feel bad. Like I said, I didn't buy it.
    I believe in God too. I believe that I should live my life by the ten commandments. One of those commandments that I think falls into everyone's everyday is "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". Do you think Ricky would appreciate a teammate, someone he thought was his friend and co-worker, just walk away and leave him hanging. If you can manage to live your life for only you and your God, all the power to you. I must have done something wrong where I feel my actions and words not only reflect on those closest to me but can also hurt those closest to me. And because of this, make my decisions as unselfishly as possible.
    As for forgiving him. There's nothing to forgive. It's his life to live and as a football fan, my right to critisize it. Ricky isn't you or me. There's more tied to his role in this world up until this moment than you or I experience. Didn't you have an opinion when Clinton lied to the American public about his relations with Monica? Didn't you think he stained the office of the presidency? Or did you just think he needed help and his actions were his to make? Granted, the presidency is much more important in the scheme of things than football but how if reflects poorly on the person (Ricky) is a parallel I'm willing to make in this debate.
    I'm also not out for vengence. Why would I be? He didn't kill my child for God's sake. He quit football. He just didn't do it when I think would have been a better time to do it.
    Unfortunately I can't have another shot. I'm at work.

    hkplayer - I liked Ricky too even though he played for the fish and as a Buffalo fan I wanted to see them squished. He's a power runner and what hurts a lot is to see that kind of talent wasted. He frustrated the hell out of defences and every team's game plan who went up against the Dolphins centred around stopping him. He was awesome to watch. I saw a game in Buffalo 2 years ago in December. Snowing and crappy. Great football weather! Ricky ran all over my Bills. We still won but he scored 3 times that day on long runs. Awesome runs. Runs where even though he's the enemy, you had to admire him.
    As for fantasy football. I might consider it though I had to put it aside 2 years ago because I got so wrapped up in it I didn't enjoy the season. I think on it.
     

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