When will Americans Learn?

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  1. r&a 1964

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    Holly crap this stuff has been happening all over the world for decades. Why hasn't some body told us. Maybe we should protect ourselves.
    No that's just silly talking now.
     
  2. jeff & deb

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    And from Edmonton, Alberta Canada, Dec. 31, 2014 one gunman killed 8 people including 2 children plus himself.
    Calgary, Alberta 7 shot New Year's Eve Party, 1 dead 6 injured.
     
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    Crazy Americans!
     
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    July 17 2012 Toronto Police concerned as 2 people are killed and 23injured in the second high profile shooting in less than 2 weeks.

    Are we seeing a trend here?
     
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    Yep everywhere else got the right idea. Its just those crazy Americans.
     
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    Here's the top 25 US mass shootings if you want to start listing them,

    32 killed - April 16, 2007 - Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounds an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter, Seung-Hui Cho then committed suicide.

    27 killed - December 14, 2012 - Sandy Hook Elementary School - Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages 6 and 7, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam's mother, dead from a gunshot wound. The final count is 28 dead, including the shooter.

    23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.

    21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

    18 killed - August 1, 1966 - In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shot and killed Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

    14 killed - August 20, 1986 - Edmond, Oklahoma part-time mail carrier, Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in ten minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.

    13 killed - November 5, 2009 - Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.

    13 killed - April 3, 2009 - In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.

    13 killed - April 20, 1999 - Columbine High School - Littleton, Colorado. 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.

    13 killed - September 25, 1982 - In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.

    13 killed - September 5, 1949 - In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden's 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.

    12 killed - September 16, 2013 - Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.

    12 killed - July 20, 2012 - Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded in a shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film. James E. Holmes, 24, is taken into custody outside of the movie theater. The gunman is dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

    12 killed - July 29, 1999 - In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.

    10 killed - March 10, 2009 - In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.

    9 killed - March 21, 2005 - Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. 16-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.

    9 killed - June 18, 1990 - In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.

    8 killed - October 12, 2011 - Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight dead include Dekraai's ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns -- a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 -- and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage.

    8 killed - August 3, 2010 - Manchester, Connecticut - Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.

    8 killed - January 19, 2010 - Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning, and is charged with one count of murder with additional charges pending.

    8 killed - March 29, 2009 - In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.

    8 killed - December 5, 2007 - In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.

    8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

    8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

    8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, 51-year-old history teacher Carl Robert Brown, angry about a repair bill and armed with a shotgun, kills eight people at a machine shop. He flees by bicycle, but is shot in the back by a witness who pursued him. He was on leave from school for psychological treatment.

    Since 2006, there have been more than 200 mass killings in the United States
     
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    Isn't humanity wonderful ???
     
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    I never made any suggestion that the United States doesn't have mass shooting. Just making the point that it is not unique to the United States. And not immune to countries with strict anti gun laws.

    And if you want to make lists you will find very quickly that governments kill more citizens every year than citizens kill every century. If your goal is to save lives disarm governments not citizens.
     
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    We defiantly have lots of terrible mass shootings, but don't many other countries have more bombings? (not that we don't have those too, but they seem to be less in the US)
     
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    Im in the Chris Rock school of thought in the matter. Make bullets like 5 thousand dollars each. so if you really wanna shot someone its something you would have safe up and work hard for. And for the people who do get shot you know they did something to piss a person off people be saying stuff like:

    " ohhhhh did you hear about that guy who has 25, 000 dollars worth of bullets in him? I don't know what he did to make that man upset, but you know it had to be pretty bad" lol
     
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    I would not expect people from all countries to understand the right to bear arms. I would expect that all would understand and acknowledge the history of government tyranny and oppression in the world. Americans have an inborn mistrust of government and the right to bear arms arose from the experience that created that mistrust. Our native Americans are an excellent example what happens when a government's power goes unbalanced. The U.S. was not invaded by ground forces of Japan in WW II in part because of the armed citizens. If you don't believe that my being armed is a deterrent to you imposing your own will on me, then I invite you to come and give it a try. The numbers of armed law abiding citizens is a very similar deterrent in regards to a government with similar intentions. While a government might be able to overcome the citizens it wishes to oppress the difficulty of that task makes it very unlikely. On a smaller scale it is also a proven deterrent to individuals that wish to do others harm. Laws do not prevent criminals from possessing weapons of any kind. Laws merely deter law abiding citizens from prescribed items and or activity.
     
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    Kinda sux there is so much morbid dysfunction 'round the world these days. I do know if there was no USA, there would be no free countries in the world, too......
     
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    Oh come on, that is the kind of rhetoric that encourages people to start antagonistic threads like this.

    There are lots of 'free countries' around the World. Many of whom were 'free' long before the US was even born as a Republic.
     
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    You had to go back 25 years and cover the whole of Europe plus Canada to find the same kind of incidents that the US sees in a year or two.

    The Paris situation (also Canada and Australia recently) is different. Those who commit those crimes are committed terrorists and not comparable to random loonies, usually on medication, having easy access to guns. These Muslim terrorist incidents will become more and more common, and the US will not be excluded from it, whether citizens are armed or not.

    Gun ownership didn't stop the Boston Marathon bombing or 9/11 did it?
     
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    Steve, I was referring to the modern day world, like from at least the mid 1970's till now, espcially important after 9/11......
     
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    Agree with everything except the go back 25 years and cover the whole of Europe and Canada to find. I just used Countries that you would think never have this kind of thing in Europe to make a point. The Canadian examples were only because it was a Canadian pointing his holier than thou finger across the border. How many people did the drug cartels kill along the US Mexican border in 2014? Every large city in the world has dozens of murders every year. How many shootings were there in Mexico city last year? Look up any Canadian City with a population of more than 500,00 and they have dozens of shooting victims annually. My only contention is that strict gun laws don't stop gun violence. And that governments and organized cartels and terrorists kill more people annually than random loonies, usually on medication ever will.
    I just don't get that when its a loonie on medication why people think the solution is to take guns away from law abiding citizens. Law abiding citizens have the power to stop the loonie.


    Also totally agree on your point about the Boston bombing and 9-11. But that also makes the point that if you want to kill people you don't need a gun. 0 guns doesn't = 0 mass killings. Even by loonies.
     
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    Ottawa population @ 900 000......2014 homicides 7. ...1 of 7 gun related (CBC news)
     
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    I stand corrected.
     
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    I was just wondering where and how you got this info, I've been searching and can't find anything about any shooting/homicides stats anywhere in Canada for 2014, any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.

    I found it, but also found this Ottawa's record 49th shooting of 2014 happens New Year's Eve night ... record-high year for shootings (many of them gang-related) in 2014?
     
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