When will Americans Learn?

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  1. Donald

    Donald Devil's advocate Registered Member

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    OMG,, when I posted that , I had a premonition you would respond.lol.

    I havn't seen you on the Ap-thread yet , are you guys almost ready to book ?
     
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    you know it we'll be there but want to check out Panama also.. lol
     
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    I have heard good things about Panama
     
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    Nobody's debating anything with you. We have our rights and you have the right to wish you had some too. Good luck.
     
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    Some one being shot is not a '' Pathectic Joke'' , You should chose your words and sarcasm better when talking about an incident where someone was cowardly shot dead in the back.
    Your comments make me want to throw up.

    yes it did happen in Canada, but at a rate of .51 per 100,000 (homicide shootings) to 4.7 for the USA.,,,I feel a lot safer hear hear.

    So maybe we are doing something right.

    And yes the shooter did kill a person, but had this been a country with lieniate gun control he probably would have had a semi/or full automatic assault rifle and shot a lot more people , so yes our gun control did work for us.
     
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    Hmmm I was invited to join in on this one.

    I've heard others say that Canadians have no right to express opinions about America or American domestic policy. That's hardly fair when you consider the amount of involvement America has in foreign nations and the opinions many Americans express about them. America is not immune to others having opinions. Most of my American friends agree, once they think about it.

    Canadians don't, for the most part, understand why Americans feel so passionately about their guns. And there are a variety of reasons why they do.

    We have pretty much the same basic rights in Canada, as citizens, as Americans. We own, per capita, nearly as many rifles for hunting as Americans. We have stricter rules on the storage and transport. We don't want "The right to bear arms". At least handguns anyway. We feel that too many needless deaths and injuries arise from their ready availability. We believe in the rule of law and not vigilantism. We are horrified at the thought that anyone could justify taking a life to defend property.

    We wish our American friends felt as safe in their country as we feel in ours.

    But.... you have that right. Some 34% of American household report, through polls, owning at least one firearm. With the millions of firearms already out there I don't see how a ban on them could possibly take place. And I think the majority of Americans will defend the 2nd Amendment anyway, even if they don't own guns.

    My suggestion is that when you hear Canadian's criticizing the 2nd Amendment, you try to realize that it is done out of concern for you and your families. Not just from violent crime but from accidents that happen all to frequently. And don't forget that we get all your TV news up here so having opinions is inevitable.

    Hope everyone has a safe and happy Christmas on both sides of our border. :)

    Bruce
     
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    And, if I recall correctly. The shooter in the Canadian Parliament was stopped by a guy who had a right to carry a gun.
     
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    Wow...someone actually said this
     
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    I have been around guns since I was in grade school and everyone I knew growing up had them. I and a large majority of my friends and their kids own and use them on a regular basis for hunting, target shooting, as well as carrying for personal protection. I in my life have known hundred of people who own or have had access to guns and yet to know anyone of them who have on purpose or accidentally shot anyone. I live in a fairly safe area, but I know there is crime around and have had homes and vehicles broken into by someone who felt they were more entitled to my stuff than myself and my family. From video footage I was less than 1 minute from walking up on the guys robbing my vehicle, I was carrying at the time and had my 4 year old son with me at the time. If he had still been there my first choice would not have been to just start shooting over stuff, but knowing I had it if my son's or my life was threatened is priceless to me. More laws about guns and magazine so,e will make no difference. Criminals do care about laws. Criminals will get guns and do what they want if there is no or minimal downside for them. Our justice system and media are the issues. The incentives for staying out of jail aren't as much of a deterrent as it needs to be and the gang drive-bys, deals gone bad, retaliation shootings that make up a majority of the gun related deaths don't sell ad space like a school shooting and Piers Morgan talking about it do. The largest mass shootings over the past 65 years had 4 times less deaths than California had in 2011...where is the coverage of that by or 1.5 times less than Chicago in 2012 the POTUS's hometown why are they not like the son he never had. Where is Sharptons outrage over that where is the special committees to fix it it doesn't sell ad space on CNN or NBC...make prison a place people don't want to go...not more like a job transfer with early release..5 years is 5 years, not 6 months and released for good behavior. Life is life your life not me supporting you for the rest of your life. No need for TV's and workout facilities... They should be too tired from working on the chain gangs to need those things. I know when I worked my ass off when I was growing up on a farm, I was way too tired to get into any trouble. This as created too many career offenders.

    Guns don't kill, people do. The laws are there, punish the ones who can't be trusted the follow the rules, not those of us that do.
     
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    Oh, really. The entire premise here, starting with the title of this thread "When will Americans learn" is one of condescension and some attitude of superiority - as in scolding an errant child.

    It's offensive and far too frequent an attitude displayed by Canadians. Feel free to consider yourselves better and more "advanced" than Americans - feel free to spurt that out on forums whenever you want. But know that many of us won't silently take the insult. We also have the right to tell you to take your opinions of our rights and our culture and put them where the Arctic sun never shines.
     
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    "Where the Arctic sun never shines". Alaska? ;)

    American's are 5% of the worlds population and own 50% of the world's small arms. The comparative number of deaths in the U.S. compared to the rest of the world is staggering. Only 15% of gunshot victims in America die from their wounds. That's a huge number of firearm victims.

    So, yes, some people, looking from the outside, are going to come off condesending. Do you think it's condesending when Americans call themselves "The greatest nation on Earth" or remark about a rags to riches story with "Only in America"?

    When we, in North America, hear about some African families washing the bodies of Ebola victims before burial, exposing themselves to infection, we think they are nuts. But that is their long standing culture. They would probably thinking we dishonor our dead, not doing it.

    It's naive to think others don't have opinions about you and it would be dishonest to say you don't have opinions about others.

    Personally, I think you 1st Amendment, Free Speech, is far more important than your 2nd.

    That said, I stand by my statement that most Canadian's motive behind their opinion is simply concern about the innocent lives that are lost and wanting their American friends and their families to be safe.
     
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    Some good points there.

    I liked what Tom Sellick said, a few years back, when interviewed on the Rosie O'Donnell Show. Rosie attacked him saying he was a spokesman for the NRA. Tom made the point that Americans had guns 30-40 years ago. But kids weren't taking them to school back then. There is more to what is happening today than simply access to guns.


    My guess is that it has more to do with the current attitudes in popular culture (Gangsta). And, as you said, the media's attention and almost glorification of tragedies. Lots of copycat incidents.

    America has the highest incarceration rate in the free world already. So I don't think the answer lies simply in law enforcement and punishment. I think it's very complex. Killings in the projects in Chicago aren't happening for the same reasons as school or movie theater shootings, for instance. I think the solutions to violence lies in addressing the root causes.
     
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    I have lived in the Nevada's High desert small mining towns all my life. The per capita gun ownership in rural Nevada is probably as high as anywhere on earth. My friends and I learned to shoot when we were about 10 years old and we were all hunting big game at 12. So I cant speak for all Americans but for me and the kids I grew up with we learned about 40 years ago. Just to answer the original question.
     
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    Gangsta rap made me do it!
     
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    Guns

    I thought this site was someplace to go to find information, meet people going on vacation some dates etc etc etc.

    This is not a political site!

    I, for one, will stay clear of political, religious discussions as they will lead to hard feelings and disappointment.

    Suggest we end this and move on to HAPPY thoughts!!

    TTR and BOOBS Cruises are two that come to mind!!

    :deadhorse:
     
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    Actually, this site is not just about TTR!
    And this particular forum is reserved for off-topic discussion, including controversial subjects such as politics and religion.

    I, for one, am enjoying the strong passionate debate on this topic.
    I suggest you steer clear of this thread if it is not to your liking or what you want to read.

    But don't try to stop the exchange of ideas, dialogue, perspectives and thoughts!

    If you just want to talk and read about, TTR and boobies, then there is the Temptation forum, for you to fill your boots.
     
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    I like the "Beating a dead horse"... lol

    Some folks enjoy discussing these touchy topics. This section was set aside for them.

    I think it keeps smart ass political shots, etc out of the "Fun" areas of Cancuncare. If you want to chat about that stuff here's the place to do it. :)
     
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    This is the Free for All section. I believe that means that we are free to talk about "all". I use this forum to avoid having to work. I also enjoy answering questions for new guests, and also setting up the next trip with friends. Sometimes there isn't much activity going on in the main board, and the constant countdowns can get annoying(I'm more jealous then annoyed), hence the 'free for all section' where we can talk about other things.

    Some topics I will defiantly avoid commenting on, but will defiantly read. If you are only looking to read/talk about the Temptation stuff or boobs, just stay in that area, or look at porn. Seems pretty easy to me.
     
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    21 sleeps and then its HO HO HO time @ TTR for us!
    lol
     
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