When will Americans Learn?

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  1. ScubaSteve

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    WTF, didn't you just go around Halloween? LUCKY!
     
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    Yes we did just leave 26 days ago.
    But that is normal every year for us.
    we go 4 or 5 times a year

    C'Mon down for the Yuletide season Steve
     
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    That's awesome, and thanks for the invite. Pretty sure the 3.5 year old would flip if I wasn't around for Christmas. I have only been twice (Sept 13 & 14). But after we left last time I started to plan for May. I didn't want to wait a full year again. Plus I hope to go to Germany in Sept 2015 for Oktoberfest.

    I wish I could go more, but a play off the title of this thread "When will Americans learn"...to get more vacation time? My answer is never :( I only get 15 days, and my wife gets 10. It is awful, and one of my least favorite things about employers in the US. I worked 5+ years at my last company and was up to 20 days, but moving jobs often means starting over.

    While at Temptation I seem to find myself hanging with many Canadians. By the end of the week I start thinking about moving there after hearing how good some of the perks are.
     
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    Perks like Universal Healthcare and naked curling...
     
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    Wrong. Without the 2nd the 1st would be easily taken away
     
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    An observation Ive seen about these gun debates ,, American,s don't care weather or not its a good idea to carry guns,,, they just argue its there right to , to avoid debating it.

    so hence the OP,s origanal coment ''when will they ever learn'' , what would it take to get you past '' your right to carry'' versus .. maybe its not a good idea ?

    personally I think USA is gone past the point of gun control ,, theres just too many of them out there,, so any debate on the subject is pointless.


    and to the posters that think Canadians should not post on the subject , this is an international forum and a lot of Americans and Canadians share mutual interest and a lot are close friends.
    People have different levels of passion and knowledge on the subject and comments should be taken with that understanding.
    If you don't agree with a comment educate the person, don't shut them down.
     
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    The pen is mightier than the sword. I don't think for a second that Canada, UK, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, etc. are in any danger of losing their right to free speech. I don't think you are either.
     
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    Whenever the subject of gun control arises it always brings out the emotions on both sides of the debate. I think there is a very interesting take on the issue when you look at two huge American cities. Chicago has some of the most stringent gun control laws in the US. Houston, on the other hand has some of the most lax gun control laws. It's pretty easy to legally purchase guns in Houston and almost impossible to legally purchase guns in Chicago. Both cities have a similar size and ethnic breakdown. So, if the gun control folks are correct, then Chicago should be safe and Houston should be a killing ground. The reality is just the opposite.

    Looking at gun control as being the panacea that would eliminate violent behavior is unlikely. To me the irony in the gun control debate is the Hollywood types who are so anti gun but, yet, they have made fortunes selling violent movies and music.
     
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    How true about Hollywood (Although there are a few gun nuts still there...right Chuck Norris? LOL). The violence in Chicago is often sited. In fact, with a brief blip, gun violence in Chicago has decreased substantially.

    The other important factor, regarding gun control in Chicago, is that it's like having a non-smoking section on a plane.

    I think most people agree that it isn't simply access to guns. There are other reasons why people shoot other people. These need to be addressed in order to reduce violent crime.

    I wonder if people would be prepared to agree that if all the causes of violent crime were addressed there would still be more gun deaths and injuries in America than in other parts of the Western World. Accidents (Over 500 children annually for instance) hunting accidents, crimes of passion, reaction to tresspassing and defending property, suicide (Studies show this is more likely with a firearm available), etc..

    I think it's the price you pay for the right to bear arms.
     
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    Every developed country has Universal Healthcare doesn't it?

    But yeah Naked Curling. I can see the appeal in that :)
     
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    Have you seen the Canadian team ? ,,, Very appealing
     
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    While I have some very strong opinions on this subject, I am not going to debate anything on this site other that things that involve alcohol, beautiful women or sex. I understand that this is in the Free For All forum but I feel that the title, and overall atmosphere, of the thread is divisive and derogatory to Americans. And that is sad because I have so many Canadian friends, both from CCC and prior to ever hearing of TTR. I used to live 60 miles from eastern BC. To hear so many Canadians expressing what seems like a contempt for aspects of the very foundation of our country makes me defensive and a bit nauseous. I would never presume to express such opinions to my Canadian friends, if I even harbored them, which I don't. On the flip side, many of the responses from Americans have been rather ugly as well and only serve to perpetuate the image of Americans that much of the world does not appreciate. CCC is supposed to a place for people of a common, and unique, mindset come together to form a tight knit community, not to create rifts where they don't belong. Please consider how a thoughtless, emotionally driven comment can impact someone that you would otherwise consider a friend.
     
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    You see thats my point,,we ,,,I ,, ( I don't want to include every one ,lol ) don't see it as a'' foundation ''issue .

    We just love our American friends and wish they would stop shooting each other.

    Please excuse ''I '' for caring .
     
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    I've been following this thread from the beginning... it laid dormant for sometime.. but honestly I feel this thread has been on the most part respectful on both sides. My feeling is if you don't like a thread then don't read it, I've come across many threads that I don't even look at .. in my opinion they are stupid, so if you don't enjoy or feel you can learn something here move on... I'm glad there is a thread like this, though people may not agree with each other and yes sometimes can get a bit ugly but passion is passion. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be able to sit and have a few drinks with each other..someplace else..Cheers and carry on...LOL
     
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    You and I are on opposite sides when it comes to this issue, however Donald I think you said this very well... you kinda surprised me !! LOL :icon_biggrin:
     
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    A magazine headquarters in Paris was attacked and 11 people were shot and killed. And the murderers got away. This just happened today. If only they had gun control laws this wouldn't have happened.
    Oh yeah. France has very strict gun control laws. How can this be? I wonder why nobody stopped them before they got away?
    I was so sure this kind of thing only happened in America. They must have bought the guns in America. Its against the law to by them in Paris.
     
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    July 22 2011 Norway A gunman blew up a government building in Oslo and then opened fire at a youth summer camp of Norway's ruling political party on the island of Utoeya killing 77 people.
    I am pretty sure Oslo is in the US not Norway.
     
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    Jun 2 2010 Britain A gunman opened fire in people in towns across the rural county of Cumbria. Twelve people were killed and 11 wounded. The gunman the killed himself.
    This happened in Britain? No way.
     
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    April 26 2002 Germany In Erfurt East Germany, a 19 year old gunman opened fire at a school, killing 12 teachers, a secretary, two students and a policeman before killing himself.
    Germany? Come on its not even close to the US this is not possible.
     
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    December 1989 Canada A 25 year old war movie fan with a grudge against women shot dead 14 young women at the University of Montreal, then killed himself.
    At least this one makes sense. He must have been watching American war movies.
     
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